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I have three corns now, 2 males and a female, all breeding age. Do corns only mate with one male, and that is the one that "takes"...or can another male be introduced after the first male mates, and possibly add something to the gene pool? I probly should know this stuff before aquiring snakes, but I don't. I would ask my boss who raises corns but I don't want her to think I am a 'tard. I have the weird Kisatchie-looking corn male, a sunkissed amel male, and a female bubblegum corn.

If you want babys from just one of the males just use him. If you put in the other male and he also mates with her then you could have a mixed parent clutch or one or the other may still take the whole batch. You will not know who the father is untill the eggs hatch, and some times not even then.
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1.0 BP Nicodemus
0.4 Cal Kings 3 alb 1 het Dora Queen Ace Pearl
2.0 Alb Corn Bizaar Elixir
0.0.1 Rev Alb Nelsons Oden?

Exactly Amanda the point is you will always have doubts to what happened. Well wait a minute! I just realized something. The Sunkissed is Amel. and if your Bubblegum is Amel, then those parents will at least produce all Amels het for other traits. It depends on the Bubblegum really. Bubblegums are a kind of frankenstein snake and there's not way to know exactly what's in it. However most of the ones I'm aware of have Amel genes in them. You could hold the other male and try to double clutch her with the second male. There is still a slight chance that some of the sperm from the first male would hold over and fertilize eggs in the second, but I think the chances are very slim. Also if I'm correct about the Amel gene in the Bubblegum you'll know if the sunkissed was the father of any, since they would have to be Amel. Unless the other male is het for Amel! Then that would throw a serious wrench in the whole thing. I would do the Sunkissed this year and the other one next year, or even try to find a better mate for the first one. I hope that made some sense?
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J Sierra

I know with Balls you can have "multi daddy" clutches, I've paired some of my female balls with 3-4 males this year. Have never done it with a corn, but would think it could be done. To be clear, the babies would have either one dad or the other. None of the babies would inherit genes from both males. Best you could hope for would be a mixed clutch with some from one dad and some from the other.

Bit of warning, corns can lay a LOT of eggs. I bred just 2 females last year and got 60 babies. Before you put your snakes together be sure you have a way lined up to sell the babies.

Do you know the background on your Bubblegum? I've heard the term used for extra pink snows, but also used for integrades of corns and another type of rat snake. If your female is an integrade it's very important you label all babies as such and not sell them as just "corns".

If you use only your Sunkissed Amel male then you would know all babies would be het Sunkissed. If you use both males, you would not know that for sure. As the other poster said, assuming the Bubblegum is Amel when paired with the Sunkissed Amel you would get all Amels, if the other male is not het for Amel then you'd know easily which babies came from which male, but if the other male is het Amel then it would really gum up the works as some of them would be het Sunkissed but some wouldn't and you wouldn't know which was which...

Can you post pics of the 3 corns in question?

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Ball Pythons
1.1 Normals het Caramel (Edward & Bella)
0.1 Normal 66% ph Caramel (Rosalie)
0.1 Caramel (Bellatrix)
1.0 Honey Bee (Aragog)
0.1 Hypo Pastel (Nagini)
0.1 Spider 66% ph Hypo(Nymphadora)
1.1 Mojaves (Lucius & Renesme)
0.1 Pastel Lesser (Narcissa)
0.1 Pinstripe (Arwen)
1.0 Pewter (Salazar)
0.1 Bumble Bee (Alice)
0.1 Lemonblast (Luna)
1.0 Bell Pastel (Jasper)
0.1 African Dinker (Esme)
0.1 Normal (Madame Olympe Maxime)
0.1 Het Pied
0.2 Normal Babies 66% ph Caramel
1.1 Pastel "Dinker" Babies (Snape & Madame Hooch)

Corns
1.1 Normals het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo (Romeo & Juliet)
0.1 Blizzard het Diffused (Tumnus)
1.0 Blizzards poss het Anery, Hypo, Diffused
0.1 Anery Lavender het Amel (Lucy)
0.1 Plasma poss het Hypo (Victoria)
1.0 Plasma poss het Albino
1.0 Hypo Plasma
0.1 Opal (Jewel)
0.1 Amel Motley
0.1 Diffused poss het Anery
0.1 Diffused poss het Anery, Albino, Charcoal, Hypo
0.1 Lavender Motley poss het diffused
1.0 Charcoal Ghost poss het Anery, Albino, Diffused
0.1 Charcoal poss het Albino, Anery, Diffused, Hypo
0.1 Fire poss het Anery, Charcoal, Hypo (LeeLoo)
0.1 Normal het Albino, Lavender, Anery, Charcoal, poss het Diffused
1.0 Albino het Lavender, Anery, Charcoal, poss het Diffused

Hog
1.0 Tri Color (Molly)

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>>Can you post pics of the 3 corns in question?
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Yeah I would love to see some pics. Especially the Amel Sunkissed and the bubblegum.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

Sure...here is the pics...female Bubblegum corn Het for amel and anery

Male Sunkissed Amel het for bloodred and hypo (he is fixing to shed and he is dull)

Male unknown morph. Seller just bought it and did not know what it was. Said Father was sunglow het for lavendar, mother normal het for sunglow. I have no idea what you call this color morph.
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Simply click the "preview message" button next to the "post message" button BEFORE you click it to make sure everything is done right first. This will eliminate all the bogus posts with red "X's".

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

not a dude, but since I cannot do it right, I am not going to post again so as not to aggrivate anyone any further.

Sorry about the "dude" thing. I see from your username that is definitely not the case..LOL!

Please don't let it stop you from posting any photos in the future, I was just pointing out that using the "preview post" button beforehand prevents any mistakes.

Again, sorry for sounding abrupt there..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

don't worry about it some of the people here think they ,know it all I guess,, I'm female ,and its not ALL about that HERE if you have questions posting pics. just ask. LOOK AT THE TOP OF KINGSNAKE.COM ,,IT SAYS HELP Good Luck .

I appreciate the great follow-up post there......

~Doug

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

ya, lol.lol dude...

does not stem from the fact you are female, or cannot post pics. However, I am at a loss as to why you would NOT discuss the hobby with someone locally who understands and can help answer your questions much easier than trying to pick and weave through the forums. That to me is aggravating to a degree. Most of the older folks on this forum learned through others who live nearby, in direct personal communication, without fear of being branded a "tard"!!! Through this communication they have developed great friendships and colleges to enjoy the hobby with and can actually visit with. I guess there is not much to be said for direct communication these days!!!

>>does not stem from the fact you are female, or cannot post pics. However, I am at a loss as to why you would NOT discuss the hobby with someone locally who understands and can help answer your questions much easier than trying to pick and weave through the forums. That to me is aggravating to a degree. Most of the older folks on this forum learned through others who live nearby, in direct personal communication, without fear of being branded a "tard"!!! Through this communication they have developed great friendships and colleges to enjoy the hobby with and can actually visit with. I guess there is not much to be said for direct communication these days!!!

Kevin,
I like you, or what I can gather of your overall demeanor on this forum and respect your knowledge and willingness to help but I really can't understand why you and other forum members get aggravated by people coming to a corn snake forum to learn about corn snakes. A lot of people do not have anyone local who can help them...I never did..PetCo and PetSmart employees??? I don't think so...and although you can find some excellent books it is sometimes much better and easier to learn from real time conversations with experienced keepers. You might find something in a book that is close to what you are wanting to know but a lot of times it isn't exactly what you're looking for. Not only that, if you haven't been in the hobby you probably have no idea which books and authors are actually the ones to go by. There are still some corn snake manuals out there that talk of using "turf carpet", pine and even calci sand as acceptable substrates. If I had never had a corn snake and went to Amazon to order a book or books on corn snakes how the hell would I truly know which authors were the best..I've seen some sorry excuses for corn snake manuals get high ratings..To me this just means the people that bought these books found the information THEY wanted and therefore felt this was a good book. And of course, if I came HERE to ask, people would jump on me and ask why I didn't get the books BEFORE I got the corn snake!!! I kind of thought that was why we come on here....Obviously to show off our own collections but also to talk to other people with our same interests and to help people getting into the hobby. When you do a search on the internet, for corn snakes, you go to the sites listed and garner what information you can, then you all of a sudden come to a forum where you can ask real time questions and hopefully get some more direct and insightful information, how can there be anything wrong with that. It is exactly what everyone says...do the research....Sometimes a snake buy is an impulsive buy, like it or not it happens and if truth be told I doubt there are many or any here that hasn't ever made an impulsive buy. Or acquired a snake out of circumstance that they really didn't think they would ever own. I just acquired a sand boa and a rosy boa from a friend who's husband just died. I didn't plan on owning these snakes but I took them to help her out and when I get to the point where I might need more in depth and direct answers to some of the questions I might have....I will go to the forums here on Kingsnake and ask those questions. The first person that tells me to do my research and that these forums are not an avenue for that research will be the last person I would ever trust for ANY information.
Any time anyone is doing any research to expand their knowledge then they are doing the right thing. I don't see how trying to gain knowledge, be it from a book, a pet store, a show (not as much great knowledge at a lot of shows as people seem to think), a neighbor or a forum, can be wrong. Trying to expand your knowledge base can only be a good thing.
Think about it
whew..getting dizzy on my soap box
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Corn snakes and rat snakes...No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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>>not a dude, but since I cannot do it right, I am not going to post again so as not to aggrivate anyone any further.

Janet,
Just ignore it.
Sometimes we just don't have great days and it spills over into the forums.
There are quite a few people that have frequented this forum for years that still can't post multiple pictures so for a first time user to have a little trouble posting pics is normal and fine.
If you have any further questions, ask, there ARE people here who WILL help, including the ones that may seem a little hostile or aggravated.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes...No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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