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I tried to get some quick pics of a couple of my Northerns to show the size difference between sibslings.

Both of these are clutchmates born in August of last year.

The bigger one is one of my females and is every bit of 3'. My garbage can, she never refuses a meal and eats her fill every week even when deep in blue.

The little one is one of my males and pushing 20". He's always been a fussy eater and maybe will eat one pinky rat/week, well most weeks anyway.

All 5 of my Northerns have sweet dispositions with not a nip, hiss or tail rattle from the bunch.

Thanks for looking.
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
0.3 P. c. sayi Kingsville X Stillwater red bulls
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 D. corais Yellowtail Cribos
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

I love those northerns!! Beautiful!

Yep, sometimes you can have size differences like that with siblings.

Normally, my northerns were around 5 feet by the third year, but I have a retained sperm clutch female that hatched very late in the season, but was 5 foot by year 2, with only once a week feedings. Go figure.
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Genesis 1:1

Thanks for the compliment, I love them too. They just get better with each shed.

I have 2 other females just slightly smaller than the one pictured. They are pretty good eaters but nothing like her, she's just a bottomless pit. (no pun intended)

I believe the 2 males have the potential to get pretty big if they would just eat better. I'm hoping with the arrival of spring all of their appetites will pick up.

Thanks again,
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
0.3 P. c. sayi Kingsville X Stillwater red bulls
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 D. corais Yellowtail Cribos
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

Also, like you mentioned, about yours having sweet dispositions, same here. All of my northerns, actually, all of my pits, have sweet dispositions as well. Never a hiss. My northerns especially.

Please keep us posted with pics of these fine specimens!
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Genesis 1:1

Well I can't say that about all of my pits. LOL My red bulls and male black pine still can get a little hissy and even nip now and again. But they are coming around and are way better than when I first got them.

My deppeis are always pretty calm but still shy. The linis are extremely shy and one of them is a real pistol. I love how they will rattle their tails even with a mouthful of food while in their feed tubs. Funny little guys.
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
0.3 P. c. sayi Kingsville X Stillwater red bulls
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 D. corais Yellowtail Cribos
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

That is funny about your linis doing that! LOL!!!!!
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Genesis 1:1

Love the behavior details/differences. One of my northerns will rattle constantly while eating sometimes. She is extremely calm and docile so I'm guessing it's more out of excitment.
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Yea it gets real funny when I go to put her away after feeding. Never fails to nail me. LOL Just for good measure.

I sent you a PM.

Thanks
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
0.3 P. c. sayi Kingsville X Stillwater red bulls
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 D. corais Yellowtail Cribos
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

Huh, can't see where to access pm's?
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See all my snakes at SerpenTrack.com

No problem. I thought I pm'd Billy, maybe not. LOL
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
0.3 P. c. sayi Kingsville X Stillwater red bulls
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 D. corais Yellowtail Cribos
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

Beautiful northerns. I have a 2010 male who was being a fussy eater as well. I just put him to sleep hoping he'll wake up hungry.

I considered putting my males into brumation but I wanted to see if I couldn't get some size on them. They have grown but not as much as I would like.
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
0.3 P. c. sayi Kingsville X Stillwater red bulls
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 D. corais Yellowtail Cribos
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

Man those are some exceptional northerns! WOW!

My '09 Burlingtion Co. siblings both eat very well but the male is just lagging in size and girth by about 30 percent. Of course there's a bit of a positive feedback situation there too in that by being larger she gets larger meals. But that wasn't the case early on. She's 1050 grams and he's 775 grams.
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Thanks, I'm real happy with them.

Who did you get your Burlingtons from?
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
0.3 P. c. sayi Kingsville X Stillwater red bulls
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 D. corais Yellowtail Cribos
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

A non-commercial breeder. They are f3 Ginter animals. Highly reputable source.
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See all my snakes at SerpenTrack.com

Oh yeah, here they are...

Female

Male

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See all my snakes at SerpenTrack.com

AWWWEESSOOOOMMMMEEEE!
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Genesis 1:1

Those are sweet and you got those from Ginter, very nice.
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
0.3 P. c. sayi Kingsville X Stillwater red bulls
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 D. corais Yellowtail Cribos
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

Thanks but nope, not from Ginter but they are the progeny of f2s from Ginter, a red and a yellow morph. You can contact me via my website contact form if you like and I'll give you the details.
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See all my snakes at SerpenTrack.com

Thanks dude, contact sent.
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
0.3 P. c. sayi Kingsville X Stillwater red bulls
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 D. corais Yellowtail Cribos
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

those are very nice northerns. that larger one is gonna be a smokin adult. i love northerns,,,,,thomas davis

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