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PA: See ya later gator?

EricWI Feb 15, 2011 03:39 PM

Unlike most states, anyone willing to shell out $50 to $100 can go to a reptile show or pet store in Pennsylvania and take home their own wide-eyed 6-inch American alligator hatchling to amaze friends.

Jesse Rothacker of Manheim sees the sad end result of many of these impulse purchases.

His Forgotten Friend Reptile Sanctuary averages about a call every week from someone who's lost interest in the reptile or is shocked that it's grown a foot a year and is now too large for the aquarium or bathtub.

"I want to get rid of it," Rothacker hears all the time.

He has four alligators now, ranging from 9 inches to 2 feet long.

The prospects of finding a home for them are not good since the croc sanctuary he used to use in Florida seems to no longer exist. Zoos don't need them and since they're a dime a dozen in the pet trade, they have no value to pet stores or other reptile hobbyists.

Those who don't call him may dump their gator outdoors in a local pond or river, where they will die a slow, agonizing death, possibly from starvation, but certainly by freezing come winter.

"It's like releasing a person in the Antarctic and saying, 'Go at it, have fun,' " says Rothacker.

It's animal cruelty, pure and simple.

"Sometimes, the best option is to put them down. They're not meant to be crammed in bathtubs," laments Rothacker.

Don't think it doesn't happen around here? One of Rothacker's current abandoned gators was found by a homeowner in Chester County after it had been stuffed between a front door and the screen door of the home.

Unwanted gators have been dropped off on the front steps of the Humane League of Lancaster. In 2003, authorities pulled a 3-foot alligator out of Harrisburg's Italian Lake.

Lancaster city has its own ordinance that bans the keeping of alligators and poisonous snakes in city limits.

In the face of this unrelenting reptilian misfortune, Rothacker several years ago began bending the ears of local legislators, urging them to pass a law to ban the sale and purchase of alligators in Pennsylvania.

He suggested the state not make possession illegal so serious crocodilian keepers could still keep theirs and go out of state to buy one and bring it back.

Also, an outright ban would create hundreds of overnight outlaws and perhaps result in a massive dumping of gators into the landscape.

Now, state Sen. Richard Alloway of Franklin County agrees with Rothacker and may introduce an alligator sale ban bill as early as this week.

The Republican lawmaker even uses exact language recommended by Rothacker.

You would think Rothacker would be pleased.

He's not. He's horrified.

That's because Alloway also is proposing to ban the sale and purchase of any poisonous snake, except timber rattlesnakes and copperheads that are native to Pennsylvania and are already regulated by the Pennsylvania Fish and Boat Commission.

It's precisely what Rothacker had specifically warned legislators against and what his herpetology brethren feared would happen: overkill.

They worried that the general public's fear and disgust of creepy-crawly slithering things would make it easier for lawmakers to deprive anyone from keeping them as a pet, however small the danger might be.

Asked why he felt compelled to also keep people from trading in pit vipers, mambas and the like, Alloway says, "I just don't think we should be bringing non-native species into the state. I'm just uncomfortable with it.

"They can cause problems in our environment," continues Alloway, possibly referring to escaped pythons (not a poisonous snake) that are disrupting the ecosystem of Florida's Everglades.

"You hear about these things escaping and it's not good for the environment or harming someone," the chair of the Senate Game and Fisheries Committee says.

Actually, captive reptiles of all species cause about one death per year in the United States, says Andrew Wyatt, president of the U.S. Association of Reptile Keepers, based in Grandy, N.C.

And even the occasional fatal snake bite almost always involves the reptile's owner or family member, not the general public.

That's compared to about 25 to 35 people killed by dogs each year and 100 or so by horses and cattle. But we're not facing bills to ban dogs and bovines.

Not helping Wyatt's case, however, were two snake bite incidents in the last two weeks.

In one, a New Jersey man was hospitalized in critical condition (but is now recovering) after being bitten by a monacled cobra he had purchased in Pennsylvania the weekend before. He had been told by the seller that the cobra's venom sacs had been removed.

Wrong.

In Tennessee, a veteran snake handler died after being bitten by one of his copperheads. Possessing a poisonous snake in Tennessee is illegal.

Wyatt takes a dim view of the proposed sale and purchase ban on both alligators and exotic venomous snakes in Pennsylvania.

Rather than a ban, Wyatt suggests Pennsylvania follow his native North Carolina's lead and require best management practices of anyone who owns certain reptiles. That protects public health and safety, he says.

"Bans just get you into a bad place," Wyatt thinks. "I have a hard time calling a venomous snake or crocidilian a pet. But there are people who do so quite responsibly. Why make these otherwise solid citizens criminals because the American public has a certain phobia about these kinds of animals?"

Jack Hubley of Lititz, a local naturalist and television personality, like Wyatt, would rather see mandatory standards, perhaps even required education, for owning alligators and exotic venomous snakes, rather than a ban on sales and purchases.

Pennsylvania is a mecca for the reptile trade and forbidding sales would hit breeders and trade shows hard, he notes.

Rothacker says there are no safety or health problems with venomous snakes and no need for the harsh controls under the proposed bill.

"I've never had a call for venomous snakes. They're not abandoned in basements and tubs like alligators are. There are responsible people willing to take them in."

He is calling on other herpers to contact Alloway's office and appeal to the legislator to limit his bill to alligators.

If the senator insists on pursuing controls on other exotic pets, Rothacker hopes he will at least invite public feedback before introducing the bill.

"I am kind of horrified I had anything to do with this," he says.

Says Alloway: "I'm open to any type of negotiations if someone feels the regulations are too broad and to see if we can find common ground."
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Replies (11)

Ravenspirit Feb 15, 2011 03:56 PM

By our fellow herp keepers.

Calparsoni Feb 16, 2011 07:31 AM

......The party of more freedom and less government.........NOT!!!!!! The election this last November was nothing more than an act similar to rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. I wish all these politicians would go hang out in a shopping mall in Arizona somewhere.
From a former republican and current civil libertarian.

emysbreeder Feb 16, 2011 11:20 AM

I here you my friend! First they were just cowards,now they have become the enemy. This Tom Roony, my guy up here Mica, their responces are insulting. Soon we will all be talking in code,because we will be an underground industry. I should have never re-uped my permit when I moved a few years back. If they dont know were you are they cant visit..ah er invade. VM

jscrick Feb 16, 2011 12:47 PM

Yes. Our system is flawed. Anyone seeking elected public office past dog catcher has already sold out, regardless of party affiliation. Just the nature of the beast. Seems to be an ego driven character flaw to say anything and do anything for the attention. They've all already done so many unscrupulous, dishonest, immoral, unethical things just to get past dog catcher that they are just no good. Unfortunately, how our political system works.
jsc
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"As hard as I've tried, just can't NOT do this"
John Crickmer

Calparsoni Feb 16, 2011 02:21 PM

I used to work at a humane society I can tell you some stories about unscrupulous things that go on in the dog catcher world as well. Ironically the guy who actually caught the dogs there was a decent guy. The rest of them there were quite a different story. There are a lot of dog catchers who get a God complex as well though, I've met a few of them who remind me of the mall security guys, you know give them a little authority and it goes to their heads.

Doug T Feb 20, 2011 03:28 PM

Republicans/Democrats....

Neither cares about you. I've had this topic come up several times here on KS, even called a "little boy" by a hardcore conservative when I claimed republicans are the same as Dems.

I do think PA republicans might decide to back up our brother herpers, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

"Land of the Free, Home of the Brave"? Hardly. We live in the "Land of Zero Tolerance of any Risk, Home of the Terrified".

Doug T
>>......The party of more freedom and less government.........NOT!!!!!! The election this last November was nothing more than an act similar to rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. I wish all these politicians would go hang out in a shopping mall in Arizona somewhere.
>> From a former republican and current civil libertarian.

Doug Taylor Reptiles

jscrick Feb 21, 2011 09:52 AM

To REPUBLICAN'S, freedom means -- freedom for moneyed interests to run roughshod over the citizen.

To Democrats, freedom means no fault humanity...the Nanny State saves everyone from themselves [at the expense of the competent].

jsc
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"As hard as I've tried, just can't NOT do this"
John Crickmer

natsamjosh Feb 21, 2011 07:46 PM

>>To REPUBLICAN'S, freedom means -- freedom for moneyed interests to run roughshod over the citizen.
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>>To Democrats, freedom means no fault humanity...the Nanny State saves everyone from themselves [at the expense of the competent].
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>>jsc

The first doesn't apply only to Republicans. Just look at all the liberal/progressive activist organizations and who funds them. They are ultimately funded by rich guys (ie, "moneyed interests." Just check out the activist cash website I posted a while back. The concept that progressives/liberals are the oppressed poor guys is only a facade they must propagate to continue playing the big government game.

Having said that, I agree with you guys. And I truly believe that treating the exotic animal issue as a Dem. vs. Republican problem is a losing strategy. It's a freedom/liberty issue, not a Dem. vs. Republican issue. IMO, groups representing the reptile hobby should be encouraging everyone, not just reptile owners, to vote Libertarian or at least join the Tea Party. Constantly writing letters to corrupt politicians and offering up compromise laws/regulation might work in the short term, but the only possible long term solution is to change the system back to the way it is supposed to be - limited government.

Thanks,
Ed

CDieter Feb 17, 2011 01:09 PM

Actually up until the venomous snake portion I thought the alligator law was making allot of sense. You could still get one if you where serious they just couldn't be sold in petstores so as to facilitate impulse purchases. Seemed like a solid idea for both the animals in question and the serious herper.

>>By our fellow herp keepers.
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CDieter
'Reason, observation, and experience; the holy trinity of science.'

Ravenspirit Feb 17, 2011 05:37 PM

I liked the idea of what its intent was, but the "no purchase of an alligator" seemed vague.

Did it mean as a PA resident I could legally purchase an alligator, or did it mean that only in the state on PA could I not purchase an alligator?

I liked the no purchase of an Alligator under 4' idea much better, or the micro-chipping idea IF we were to have regulation.

The whole thing clearly opened the door for more restrictions (venomous) to be added on, and I am waiting for big constrictors, and possibly more to be added to it.

KathyLove Feb 16, 2011 09:48 PM

Whenever anyone ASKS for more government regulation, they often get WAY MORE than they asked for. That is just the way it works.

"That government is best which governs least." -
-- Thomas Paine

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