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I believe this is the first Double of it's kind , unless someone has produced it and is keeping it under wraps . I know that there is someone out there claiming that they have possibly produced it , but the picture they have posted clearly does not look ANYTHING LIKE THIS......So I'm pretty sure they are mistaken...Because there is no comparison...This IS the real deal...sorry for the picture quality .

Rich - OSC

super pastel woma?

Makes it easy to guess when you label your photos.

"I believe this is the first Double of it's kind"

SuperPastelWoma...

Doesn´t the super makes it double woma = tripple ?
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My bad for labeling the photo , Correct it is a SUPER PASTEL WOMA .......I'm not sure why it would be a Triple as someone earlier in this thread stated ? It is Super Pastel , and it is Woma , Am I crazy to be confused why it would be triple ? in the end , a Super Pastel is considered a Double ? Yes it takes two Pastels to make it , , but that is still ONE mutation , just Super form . Thanks

Rich - OSC

Nice Triple!!! Looks nice. Any "copy" of a gene counts toward the gene total. Therefore, Super Pastel Ivory = 4 copies -- 4 gene combo.
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Bill Buchman

So is a snow a quadruple or is it counted different with recessives? Suppose counting each mutant allele is the only way to keep track of how a super pastel woma is better than "just" a pastel woma and when recessives are worked in why a chocolate het pied is better than just a chocolate. But double/triple etc. are still sort of like “super” and not fully defined yet. I should go on another couple paragraphs as I know how much Rich likes that but I’m even boring myself.

Randy, you have forgotten more than I know about higher-level genetics!!! From a practical standpoint as a breeder I would consider a Snow as a 4-gener.

If you took a Snow male to a Lavender female you would have a clutch of triple Het/3 gene offspring in my opinion.

Another way to look at it would be a pairing of a 100% Het Albino x Normal would produce a clutch of half-gene(50%) animals.
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Bill Buchman

>>Randy, you have forgotten more than I know about higher-level genetics!!! From a practical standpoint as a breeder I would consider a Snow as a 4-gener.
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>>If you took a Snow male to a Lavender female you would have a clutch of triple Het/3 gene offspring in my opinion.
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>>Another way to look at it would be a pairing of a 100% Het Albino x Normal would produce a clutch of half-gene(50%) animals.
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>>Bill Buchman

Yeah but if you breed a super pastel-spider(aka killerbee)to a normal all you can get is one gene or the other,or both.
Whereas a true "triple threat" animal(like a pewterbee)is capable of throwing all three genes when bred to a normal...just some food for thought.
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Charles Glaspie
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I all depends on if you are counting GENES or ALLELES.

Super Codom (S. Pastel) = 1 allele, 2 genes of that allele.

"Regular" Codom (Pastel)= 1 allele, 1 gene of that allele, 1 normal gene.

Pewter = 2 alleles, 1 gene Pastel, 1 gene Cinnamon

So, if we are counting genes, we should specify that it is a morph gene. Otherwise, a Pastel would be just as much of a "double" as a Pewter would.

Just in case I lost anyone with the distinction between gene and allele, here are some allele definitions:
Define: Allele
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0.1 Pastel, 1.0 Pastel het Pied, 0.1 Pied, 0.1 Cinn, 1.0 Black Pewter, 1.0 Woma (hidden gene?), 0.1 Yellowbelly
2.1 Normals, 1.0 Thayeri, 0.1 Thayeri X Alterna, 0.1 Whitesided P. catenifer sayi, 0.1 crazy cat, 1.0 husband

it takes a breeding to make the super...so to me it could be a double .....triple with the woma.......

?...what do I know....triple..... double....same difference
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