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This critter popped out of a friend of mines W. Texas splendida colony in '09. 7 eggs dropped 3 hatched including this striped female and another slightly abberrant snake. I know some people are working with morphs (axanthic, albino) but didn't know if anyone had any stripe projects cooking.
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He does look really interesting, like his back was run down with a sewing machine!
--Dennis
>>This critter popped out of a friend of mines W. Texas splendida colony in '09. 7 eggs dropped 3 hatched including this striped female and another slightly abberrant snake. I know some people are working with morphs (axanthic, albino) but didn't know if anyone had any stripe projects cooking.
Most of the striped "Splendida" are that way due to Californiae influence.
Can this animal be proven that it is from animals collected in West Texas and nowhere else?
If so, then I think your friend has produced a very nice striped Splendida..........
I wonder if it is genetic or if it was due to incubation temps.....
You mentioned 7 eggs dropped and 3 hatched. Was their a temperature fluctuation that caused the demise of the other 4 eggs? Some striped offspring are the result of incubation environment and cannot be reproduced. The striped Greeri comes to mind here......
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John Lassiter
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They are pure splendida.
He told me 4 out of the seven eggs looked bad right away. The only three that hatched were these. It may have been an incubation thing, fluctuating temps ,etc. There were no incubators used, just closet temps.
Paul
>>They are pure splendida.
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>>He told me 4 out of the seven eggs looked bad right away. The only three that hatched were these. It may have been an incubation thing, fluctuating temps ,etc. There were no incubators used, just closet temps.
>>Paul
They are pure Splendida from West Texas?
Even Pure Splendida from Arizona look like that....the interesting thing is that these are from West Texas.....No Californiae influence.
It would be interesting to see if it were genetic or not.
So...send it my way so I can start test breeding.....LOL
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John Lassiter
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WOW very nice snake. I like that pattern.
DAVY
Those are very nice! They've popped up in Arizona and New Mexico.
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>>Those are very nice! They've popped up in Arizona and New Mexico.
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They've popped up there for a reason Ross...Californiae influence......
This one here is a little more special since it is far from California..............
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John Lassiter
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They've popped up there for a reason Ross...Californiae influence......
What does that have to do with the striping?
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>>They've popped up there for a reason Ross...Californiae influence......
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>>What does that have to do with the striping?
DUH....because there are striped Calikings influencing the phenotypical expression of getula in THOSE areas......
Not here in West Texas......Nothin but Splendida.......
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John Lassiter
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DUH....because there are striped Calikings influencing the phenotypical expression of getula in THOSE areas......
Not here in West Texas......Nothin but Splendida.......
What's with the attitude, bro? I've never come at you like that. First of all you need to understand californiae before assuming anything. Striped morphs within californiae are restricted to range. There are no striped Cal kings in AZ or NM. The closest place you'll find striped kings is in San Diego Co. Just because there it striping in some californiae, doesn't mean it happens anywhere in their range. The odds of finding a striped Cal king in Eastern AZ, is the same as the odds of finding a striped king of any subspecies of getula anywhere. If the striping in these splendida have anything to do with californiae influence, you'd think someone would have found a striped king in AZ by now, but that hasn't happened.
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I agree Ross. No striped Cal. kings anywhere in that intergrade area. I don't see even a remote hint of any Cal. king influence in that striped splendida whatsoever. The sides, the head, the small circles on the nape and tail all point to 100% splendida phenotype with the exception of the stripe.
~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing" 
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Correction, the striped king I thought was from AZ, is actually the same one from NM. That specimen is nearly identical to this one except its stripe is more broken up, which doesn't really mean anything. If the striping in the NM specimen was the result of californiae influence, I'd expect to see a noticeable difference between it and the one posted here. It will be interesting to see if its a genetic trait, or like John said, possibly due to incubation temperatures.
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Wow!,..that's an awesome and unique find!. Thanks for showing us that cool specimen!
Yeah, it will be neat to see the other photo's of the rest from the OP later as well.
With the exception of there being no hints of thin cross-bars on his, The original poster's splendida very much resembles the "Isla Santa Catalina" kingsnake in Hubbs' book that was found in 1921, doesn't it?..LOL!...wow!
~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"
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>>Wow!,..that's an awesome and unique find!. Thanks for showing us that cool specimen!
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>>Yeah, it will be neat to see the other photo's of the rest from the OP later as well.
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>>With the exception of there being no hints of thin cross-bars on his, The original poster's splendida very much resembles the "Isla Santa Catalina" kingsnake in Hubbs' book that was found in 1921, doesn't it?..LOL!...wow!
Could be relict gene flow from Catalina Island to West Texas......
Interesting comparison Doug.......You made me go find it in "the book"......LOL
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John Lassiter
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It does look like that snake, Doug. Thats why there is so much controversy over that snake and if it was really found there. The habitat on that island is all wrong for kings, but you never know.
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And it is a tiny island that's been explored several times since; you'd think if there was any population they'd have found SOMETHING?
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Yeah, I'm not so sure I buy there being any populations on that isolated island to speak of either. Being off the east coast of the central Baja peninsula, it is exactly 85 miles west across from mainland Sonora, which again, would be MBK territory anyway. That's even if you looked at nigrita as basically being a melanistic form of splendida. Then nobody has even seen another one there ever since then when that specimen was said to have been caught there.
Sort of hard to believe it got there any other way than by boat or MAJOR STORM floating on something, if it indeed was even captured there to begin with.....hmmm?? 
~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"
my website -Serpentine Specialties
Yeah, the look is all wrong if it came from Sonora or Baja. That's why its been elevated to species status. The problem is, that pattern could easily pop up in splendida. If a striped splendida can be reduced to dashes, as seen in the NM king, a dotted pattern could turn up as well. It happens in Cal kings and Eastern kings. That snake will always be a mystery, IMO. There is a theory that because the kings on that island were isolated so long, their look changed into what you see, but that thing just looks too close to a splendida morph. It would have to be a MBK that lost its hypermelanism. Hubbs says all MBK's on the west coast of Sonora are black as adults. Others insist thats not true, so who knows.
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I totally agree with you on the fact that a splendida could VERY easily pop up with that phenotype, but boy, I couldn't agree more that the thing is TOTALLY out of place on that island..LOL!
One thing we all know, and that is that it sure as hell didn't naturally originate from the Baja peninsula side..LOL!
No conjuncta or nitida there!..HAHAA!
Yeah, this will likely remain a mystery forever and ever!
~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"
my website -Serpentine Specialties
>>I agree Ross. No striped Cal. kings anywhere in that intergrade area. I don't see even a remote hint of any Cal. king influence in that striped splendida whatsoever. The sides, the head, the small circles on the nape and tail all point to 100% splendida phenotype with the exception of the stripe.
No one said the original poster's snake had calking influence.....I don't see any in it either....I think the interesting part of this snake is that it is from West Texas animals....I've seen lots of pics of intergrade calking/Splendida animals that some have striping........
The fact that Ross posted that picture of the neonate found in NM leads me to believe that it IS genetic and not just a temperature fluke.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
Yeah, I would think a funky genetic trait popped up too, and not temp related.
~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"
my website -Serpentine Specialties
I guess I should've posted "lol" at the end because there was no attitude in that post....sorry if you took it that way Ross......
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John Lassiter
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No problem, John. Humor is hard to see sometimes over the internet.
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>>No problem, John. Humor is hard to see sometimes over the internet.
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True....
Thanks for the insight concerning striping in calkings.....
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John Lassiter
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Sure thing, brother.
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Pretty darn interesting!
It looks to be all real-deal splendida to me too. That would be pretty cool if it is later proven to be a simple recessive trait.
~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"
my website -Serpentine Specialties
I'll photopgraph the adults and the offspring tonight. Will post pics tomorrow.
That's one GORGEOUS animal!
I'd love to own a pair of those... or an albino and Normal striped pair they'd be killer display animals!
thanx for posting!
~ZF
Man...the more I look at that picture the more I like that striped Splendy........Awesome looking.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
This one has a slight abberrancy but probably within "normal" limits of what most think of when they think of slendida. This is a sibling to the striped splendida.
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This is the adult female.
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This is the adult male. He is a large heavy bodied guy, close to 4'.
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Those are some really nice looking textbook splendida phenotypes...
~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"
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Doug,this pair and a Brewster Co. pair that came with this group of getula look very similar, but the Brewster's have mostly black bellies, very little yellow. - Paul
Man I screwed all my pics up, here they are again, sib and adults.
Sibling snake to the striper.
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Adult Female
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Adult Male
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Awesome Splendida.....
Can you post pics of the striper again......It is lost in cyberspace up there.....LOL
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John Lassiter
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