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While checking on them this morning. Zunchara is the one not mating; I think she may be getting ready to go blue. I put the girls back in with the boy two days ago. They had wintered together, and seemed very happy to be reunited, him being quite excited.

Normally when I lift the box hide they will soon move to a different position, but this morning they stayed put in this position even though the batteries on my camera died between shots and I had to disturb them twice. No more disturbance today, let nature takes it's course.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

I'm seeing baby pyros in your future Bob. Better get your incubator set up. Congrats on the lockup and keep us posted.
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
0.3 P. c. sayi red bulls
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 D. corais Yellowtail Cribos
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

Already got the incubator going; it has been in service since summer of 08 doing fence lizards and crickets. Not at same time, of course, as the cricket eggs like higher temps than the lizard eggs.
An old fish shipping box in a guinea pig cage, so the cats can't knock it over or claw it.

It has a seed germination mat, a thermostat, thermometer, and rack with baffle for lizards.

I usually use vermiculite but for snake eggs I will use perlite.

This has been a long process to get to this point.
1. Buy the baby snakes
2. Raise the babies to adulthood
3. Have them mate
Am looking forward to step 5; EGGS! Then step 6: BABIES!

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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Sweet setup Bob. Yep I bet the cats think that would make a great scratching post.

Don't forget Step 7 getting all those little boogers to eat. LOL

Perlite I think is the better choice for snake eggs. I like the coarser texture for better air circulation.
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
0.3 P. c. sayi red bulls
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 D. corais Yellowtail Cribos
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

Don't forget Step 7 getting all those little boogers to eat. LOL
That's what I raise the lizards for.

I don't feed the lizards themselves to the snakes, I make a tea out of lizards that have been killed by my cats. This little group was living dangerously on my front porch gate last summer, so I captured the lot and still have them. They are fun pets in their own right.

Then there is step 8; what to do with all those baby snakes. I am looking forward to facing that "problem"!
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Hope the people from PETA aren't reading this post! After winning their cause with Lipton Tea recently I'd hate to see you in the crosshairs next.

Best of luck with steps 2 thru 8.

Gerry

Heh! I did not know about PETA's Lipton Tea thing. I kind of relegate PETA in with those Phelps church wackos who harass military funerals...annoying nutjobs...and try not to think about them much. At least PETA would be pleased to know I only use already dead lizards; no lizards were harmed in the making of this tea.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

very cool bob congrats
in case you didnt know the other pyro in the pic is ovulating as well, also be prepared for your male to forget about food w/all that prime pheremone floating around.
good luck!
,,,,,,,,thomas davis

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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

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I figure the other female will be ready to mate after she sheds. She is in blue now. Everybody is in good shape weight wise so if he has romance on his mind instead of food, that's okay.

The lovers after a busy day of fun activity. The snake in blue is in the moss hide being not interested yet.

Those are some great photos of your snakes, what with the eggs and all.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Females can and will ovulate before, during and after that first shed cycle everyone calls the pre ovulation shed.........Just sayin......

I've had snakes breeding while both were in the blue before......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Females can and will ovulate before, during and after that first shed cycle everyone calls the pre ovulation shed.........Just sayin......

I've had snakes breeding while both were in the blue before......
I have put the whole trio together again just for this possibility. I figure if sometimes they will still eat while in blue, mating might also be something they would do. The girl in blue will eat while in blue, too.

I have special tubs set up for the girls so once they are obviously gravid they can lay their eggs in peace. This should be apparent in a couple of months I would think, if egg development takes 12 weeks.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

>>I have special tubs set up for the girls so once they are obviously gravid they can lay their eggs in peace. This should be apparent in a couple of months I would think, if egg development takes 12 weeks.

And Bob...when do you think is the right time to move these females to their egg laying tub?

I don't move my girls at all.....I just turn the back half of their enclosure into a nesting area with damp Peat and Sphagnum moss........I lay a piece of Plywood or a plastic lid from a smaller enclosure over the damp moss......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

And Bob...when do you think is the right time to move these females to their egg laying tub?
I plan on moving them into their maternity tubs about ten weeks from now, or sooner when they look really gravid. When do they start looking really gravid anyway?

I don't move my girls at all.....I just turn the back half of their enclosure into a nesting area with damp Peat and Sphagnum moss........I lay a piece of Plywood or a plastic lid from a smaller enclosure over the damp moss......
That is how their maternity tubs will be set up.

Because I have the trio together right now in this 40 gallon breeder cage, I don't think there is enough room for providing a decent egg laying nest in this tank for two females together with the male.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.