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well these have an interesting yet controversial history. these were created or genetically altered manmade mutation done in a lab. they were smuggled into the pet trade but do stir controversy ...my snakes dont know the differance

the father and F1 mother

F1's are an array of silkies and rexes so far all have proven het. for hairless

F2's are a mixture of silkies,rex and hairless approx 50%of these start losing hair in hooper stages resulting in these the totally hairless are like the super and never get hair.

ummmm mice its whats for dinner
,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

Bring them with you to Daytona. They will need a good home.
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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i paid crazy money for my originals but being a simple recessive its infiltrated my mouse colonies so i would be happy to bring you some hets. this daytona.
its controversial but its really the weird/creepy factor i like about these
,,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

Those almost make snake food look cute. LOL
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
0.3 P. c. sayi red bulls
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 D. corais Yellowtail Cribos
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

Back in the day when I was breeding my own feeders I routinely popped out color morphs from all albino lines. In many respects working with these variations was just as interesting as selective breeding of the snakes. At very least you saw results much quicker given you could have several generations in a single year.
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>>Back in the day when I was breeding my own feeders I routinely popped out color morphs from all albino lines. In many respects working with these variations was just as interesting as selective breeding of the snakes. At very least you saw results much quicker given you could have several generations in a single year.

I know what you mean Tony...
I have a Silver line and A Gold line going right now......They are fun but stink way more than any ole snake......LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Did you bring a little Silver?
Did you bring a little Gold?
What did you bring me my dear friend,
to keep me from the gallows pole?

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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

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>>Did you bring a little Silver?
>>Did you bring a little Gold?
>>What did you bring me my dear friend,
>>to keep me from the gallows pole?

Hey...you got a couple like mine....LOL

Thanks for getting the Led out........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

what's the controversy? Don't tell me they were crossed with sheep! Just kidding, are they cloned or something?
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

well the cotroversy is ethics, this mutation was manmade by manipulating the thyroid gland causing the hair to fall out. animal rights folks beleive its abonimadable and scientist who created it feel its ethically wrong in that the pet trade is basically profiting from them, like i said my snakes dont know the differance,,,,,,thomas
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

Those are really interesting! I have long haired mice in my colony but no hairless or Rex. Wish you could ship live mice like shipping snakes! I would love to have some Rex! The ones with no hair on their heads look like a cross between a buzzard and a mouse! LOL!

Some of my "shags":

Some males

Some females
They are big robust mice which came from one short haired brindle male who is still part of my colony. He is pretty old but still going strong.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

That's going to screw everything up for locality-specific breeders of mice. It's a terrible way to pollute the gene pool for those "serious" rodent breeders who are trying to keep their lines pure.

Tim

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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
0.3 P. c. sayi red bulls
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 D. corais Yellowtail Cribos
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

thats funny as hell tim, i never thought of the locale mouse breeders ROFLMFAO in tears,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

well the cotroversy is ethics, this mutation was manmade by manipulating the thyroid gland causing the hair to fall out. animal rights folks beleive its abonimadable and scientist who created it feel its ethically wrong in that the pet trade is basically profiting from them,

If this scientist really gave a flying fig about ethics he would never have created this mutation in the first place. Once something like this is created it is bound to get out of the bag so to speak.

I still think these mice are most interesting. Those buzzard headed ones are a hoot!
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

If this scientist really gave a flying fig about ethics he would never have created this mutation in the first place

They created the hairless mice/rats for cosmetics and perfume companies for testing for skin reactions.
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