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I think I saw a thread where someone called a super a double morph.I think a super pastel,butter,mojave,whatever is a single morph.For example a super pastel ghost would be a double morph ?

yea..some people say super pastel ghost (for example) is a double and some say it's a triple because you have 2 pastel genes and the ghost...

....(I'm on the 3 side)...sorry....

....therefore super pastel super enchi is a quad ....

????

///......noone will win this arguement...not even if the ""Scientists That BE"" chime in ....whoever they are....
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........JY

Not going to argue this one just wanted some feedback.Thanks

I would have to agree with Jeff...If it takes 2 morphs to create a morph and you have both double morphs crossing it should be a quad. As Jeff put it...if I had a Pastel Enchi "Double Morph" bred to the same and hit a Spuer Pastel Super Enchi...Quad....I think so.
Its just my opinion and I could be wrong...or according to my woman I usually am...lol
Travis
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Yes Terry....none of us are argueing...and like I said...I don't know which way is totally correct.....just my ideas.....it's all cool either way.....

Travis...your woman IS always right......remember,.,,,....

....I'd like to have a super pastel super enchi....man....a few years yet.....!...the pastel enchi alone is sweet....and she is growing really well .....I hope she gets fatter than a ratsnake ....???

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actually by that train of thought a super pastel ghost is quad, 2 copies of pastel and 2 of ghost

i can kinda see both ways. it really depends if you are talking about actual gene copies/amounts, or different visual/genotypical traits
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I personally dont agree to an extent. because if you have a super enchi super pastel and breed it to a normal you get all doubles right? so in turn I still say its a double trait unless we start calling a pastel a het for super. sure you need two pastel enchis to make a super pastel super enchi but its still the same trait. in my opinion to get a quad you need 4 genes. like a pastel enchi spider pinstripe would be a quad because its 4 traits 4 separate genes.

do we call albinos double? it takes two to tango. meaning all recessive traits are double morphs and a snow would be a quad?

then again Im just a little guy in a big snake world.

I'm with you Terry 100%. Pastel ghost is a double. Super pastel ghost is still a double just a super. It's still a pastel gene, not a 3rd "type".
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John Light

Thanks John,I dont see a super as being a double morph either.

Same here. Super pastel is one morph, and super enchi is one morph. So a super pastel super enchi is two morphs.

Paul Hollander

I like to look at things logically. Yes, I know, that kind of thinking has bitten me a couple of times, but It works a lot of times. I am thinking that if you have a pastel, you need another copy of pastel to make a super pastel, so it takes 2 copies of pastel to make a super pastel....so... you need TWO morphs to make it. A pastel...and...a pastel. Two morphs.....2 copies......double morph......super pastel is a double morph. I also believe that a morph needs to be visual, so a pastel pied would still be a double morph. A normal that is 100% het for (whatever) is not a morph. A pied is a single morph. A pastel het pied is a single morph, but a super pastel pied is a triple morph cause you still need 2 copies of pastel, so.... that is just me. I am not trying to bang anything home, I am just stating how I think of this topic.

>>I like to look at things logically. Yes, I know, that kind of thinking has bitten me a couple of times, but It works a lot of times. I am thinking that if you have a pastel, you need another copy of pastel to make a super pastel, so it takes 2 copies of pastel to make a super pastel....so... you need TWO morphs to make it. A pastel...and...a pastel. Two morphs.....2 copies......double morph......super pastel is a double morph. I also believe that a morph needs to be visual, so a pastel pied would still be a double morph. A normal that is 100% het for (whatever) is not a morph. A pied is a single morph. A pastel het pied is a single morph, but a super pastel pied is a triple morph cause you still need 2 copies of pastel, so.... that is just me. I am not trying to bang anything home, I am just stating how I think of this topic.

Yet a Pastel is indeed "het for Super Pastel".Same as a Yellowbelly is het for Ivory...Just because an animal doesn't exhibit the different than normal allele doesn't mean it isn't there.

I see what you are saying though..You are referring to what it requires to make said double,triple,or quad heterozygous animal.
However,if i remember correctly,the whole "triple threat" saying originated from some of the first Queenbee threads..Which referred to its genetic power in breeding.(With its ability to reproduce three different genes independently.)
So for me,unless it can throw three different genes it isn't a "triple".
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Im scoopin' whatch' yer' poonin'. That is definitely another way of "logically" looking at it. I wish someone would just tell us ALL what the "right" way of looking at it is.