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I'm thining about purchasing a champagne. Does everyone think they are a high quality investment? Would you recommend a differnt morph? Im just curious and want more then one opinion. Thanks!

Josh

I was thinking about purchasing one one also, but if you look at the post below "snakes you dont want in your collection" there's a lot of people that are bashing the morph. That made me reconsider doing it. I know that thread doesn't speak for all the breeders out there, but it does hold some weight with me. I'd like to try to make some money back if I spend that much on a snake. Now with the ????'s about deserts I'm not sure where to spend the money. Chris Hall

I know what you mean it seems like every expensive morph gets bashed. Im trying to decide on what quality morph to get but it seems like there is questions about every morph. I think that any morph over $2,000 everyone will think its not worth it. Like a lot of people say there is always a risk in this buisness....But I really liek the champagne...and so does my wife =P so im just trying to see what everyone else thinks! thanks!

Josh

Champagne's are not one of my favorites and are not a part of my collection, but I do think a lot of people like them. They are highly variable, which makes each one somewhat unique. A unique ball python is a valuable one, so as long as you can keep them unique it would be a good investment. The recent enchi champange has given the champagne pattern is going to add a little more excitement to this morph. It hasn't won me over yet, so it's not in any of my investment plans.

i think the champagne alone is a pretty cool morph.....but....when you mix it with other morphs it's pretty much a pattern killer. every known combo that contains champ in it has pretty much very very little pattern if none at all.

i for one appreciate some sort of pattern in a snake.

.....it all depends what you really want to do with it?

Pitoon

>>I know what you mean it seems like every expensive morph gets bashed. Im trying to decide on what quality morph to get but it seems like there is questions about every morph. I think that any morph over $2,000 everyone will think its not worth it. Like a lot of people say there is always a risk in this buisness....But I really liek the champagne...and so does my wife =P so im just trying to see what everyone else thinks! thanks!
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>>Josh
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I would not be so quick to believe the chatter on here.I was told champagnes were slow growing and took two years to mature for males.PURE BULL !!!!!!! I bought a male and he is doing just fine and also know of a few others that got them last year also.They are not having problems either.

Champagne are quite cool and still worth some money cause they do sell. Not as much as it was possible to hope for, but still.

Problems is that there is no super form, it's a dominant form so far.
And also the combos are not that nice. A lot of the combos look quite white and can't be distinguished one from the others.
A killerblast champagne will look quite the same as a pin champ or a pastel champ.
So they are less eye catchy, and because they are harder to know what they are, they are hard to sell.

I still believe the price will drop quite a lot again, but I think they have already dropped a lot.

I think the Mimosa is one of the best ball python combo so far. They are unimaginable and I would like to have one for sure !
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Im just trying to find a worthy investment. i understand what you mean about the morph looking the same with other morphs. It seems like every expensive morph has something bad about it.

Hey Josh, if YOU like it, get it! There's certainly still a market to make your money back!

i agree- if you like it get it. i purchased a female champagne this year and love it. It looks like a double co-dom by itself and can produce some unbelievable morphs. have you seen the albino champagne? every albino freak out there will want one- it's the best albino i've ever seen.

We have been in the Champagne project for a few years now and I can tell you it's the best project we ever got into. It's one of those morphs where even "non" snake people say wow when they see it. If you are thinking about buying one, I say go for it! Also I think a lot of people like to predict the market and a lot of people thought Champagnes wouldn't be popular but we sold out of everything that we produced this past year, for full asking price!
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I really fell in love with this morph when it emerged. It's at the top of my wish list. It's one of the morphs that I really like on its own. Some of its combos I haven't been terribly impressed with, but some are knock outs (mimosa). Also, so little has been done with the morph when concidering how many morphs are out there now to cross it with.

I say if you like a morph, there's going to be people out there that like it too. Go for it!
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Here is my opinion. I personally love champange ball pythons. I think they are beautiful, Would be a great addition to anyones collection. But I think at their current price the females will lose you a ton of money. To get your money back on a champange youd have to go with a male. You can breed in 6 months. Unless you can find a female that is going to breed in 6 months or less. Which is unlikely to find a female that size. Champanges in my mind will do the same thing all dominant and codominant ball pythons do. They will drop fairly rapidly. This is because they are easy to produce. So they are mass produced quickly. With a male you can breed to pastels and things in 6 months time, and make your money back. But with a female you have to take 2-4 years to raise it. In 2-4 years time the price will drop I think. Spiders did its a dominant trait. When i bought my female spider I paid $1000 for her. In 3 years time spider price dropped by $600. In todays market spiders are $150 snakes as males. The pinstripe is another one. The project is only 10 years old. they were $25,000 in 2001. Now 10 years later they are a $250 snake. I personally think recessives are the best investment snakes. Albinos have been around for 19 years now, and people are still selling them for up to $500. So from an investment standpoint, My opinion is to invest in something like a clown male or female either one. Then get a mate for it thats a dominant or co dominant snake thats het for clown. Like a pastel het for clown, or spider het for clown. But if your set on a champange get a male. Then cross it into as many dominant and co dominant females as you can to get a return on your investment while the iron is still hot. Because I have a feeling the price will drop on them in the time it would take to raise a female. But thats just my opinion.
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Kevin Harrison
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there's one thing for certain in the ball python "business"- prices drop every year, especially for co-dom morphs. the price drop for co-dom males is much greater than females. What's the price difference between a 3 year old 1500 gram male spider or pinstripe vs a 3 year old 1500 gram female spider or pinstripe? The female is 3-4 times the price. good luck selling that pastel het clown morph you produce unless you're one of the big name breeders.

If you like the morph, look forward to tweaking combos out of it and can afford it, buy it. In the long term you will not lose money on any ball morph unless the snake dies or won't breed. We purchased a male pastel when they were $2,000. Then the fool thing wouldn't breed for four years, by which time the going price was,well, not so much. Did we make as much money as quickly as we expected? Nope. Did we lose money on the project? Nope, we've done quite nicely with bumblebees, fireflys, lemonblasts, Etc. Work with what you like, the money will come.

Is there any problem with female Champagnes breeding/laying?

Dave

Ken Macek, got eggs from a Mimosa girl. Brian Barzyck got eggs from a Mimosa girl, BT's got a gravid girl, Dave Green has 1 girl breeding. Not to many girls are out there right now, we have one 2010 girl here who is 700 grams. So needless to say they lay good eggs!
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