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Our laws for keeping, breeding and collection snakes gets tougher and then you see this. Just disturbing....What are your thoughts guys???

www.cnn.com/2011/US/03/12/rattlesnake.roundup/index.html#
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Jimmy Tintle

I teach my family and friends to respect the serpent and these knuckleheads are saying they are not men unless you kill them..

"We saw this as a rite of passage to be able to bring your boys out here and let them see how you have good clean fun and learn something and appreciate nature," says Jeff Hulstein. "It's one of the ways we are going to raise these boys into men."

Appreciate nature??? Am I crazy but isn't this destroying nature??? Maybe I am the one that's crazy!!

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Jimmy Tintle

Yeah, I had to laugh at that. You can't appreciate nature by killing it. WTF.

I'd get banned posting my real thoughts so let's just say I hate it, in a deep down, slightly homicidal way.
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
6.6 African House snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
.1 corn snake
4.2 Florida Kings
1.2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
0.0.1 Argentine boa

I agree with everything you didn't say... but for the record... you don't take it far enough.

Gerry

It's just more solid proof that man-kind will "pseudo-justify" just about anything in their warped minds no matter what it may be.

It was a real joke to hear them talk about "respect"???? and "appreciating nature" there too.......WTF????

I am guessing that is similar to the way O.J. Simpson "respected" and "appreciated" Nicole Simpson too. Or why any other murderer's do what they do. Just ask any of them, they'll tell you in their unique, twisted way.

"the only good snake, is a LIVE snake"
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

The roundup began more than 50 years ago as a way to combat the rattlesnake population that was killing livestock and threatening pets and even people.

"They bite livestock, they bite the animals, your pets. They'll bite kids, people. They're a very serious problem around here."

So it it obvious these people have a serious problem with rattlesnakes. What do rattlesnakes eat? Rodents. So if the people rid themselves of the rattlesnakes wont they then have a bigger rodent problem? Also the people are making things attractive for the snakes by having water; i.e. watering lawns and such. Could they not put water out somewhere remote for the snakes to help prevent them from being such a pest in town?

I find more rattlesnakes in my area than any other type of snake except for ringnecks and sharptails (harmless) I try to relocate them instead of wantonly killing them. I can sympathize with how alarming it is to be doing chores outdoors and hear that steam escape from a pipe sound right at your feet and realize there are no pipes around...but making a grisly party out of controlling a dangerous animal is offensive to me.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

no surprises here, really. it sounds like something many texans would be proud to do.

freedom works both ways.

"no surprises here, really. it sounds like something many texans would be proud to do."

How many Texans do you know?

One thing a lot of Texans WOULD be proud to do is kick your ass.... Just because some retards in Sweetwater do this doesn't mean [bleep] about 'many texans'. Read the article and you will see that a lot of the participants are 'tourists'.

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

lived in caldwell for almost six months.

nothing texans say or do amazes me anymore.

LOL....Calm down there Chris and Brian......LOL

Snake Phobia is EVERYWHERE! Not only Sweetwater, Texas.
Even out there in Cali.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

How are Texans much different than any other group of people?

I've lived here and Colorado and spent a lot of time in New Mexico...can't say I saw a lot of differences between the three. Just too cold in CO.
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
6.6 African House snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
.1 corn snake
4.2 Florida Kings
1.2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
0.0.1 Argentine boa

We as a species are simply not doing enough to rid the planet of ourselves... like varanid I'll simply leave it at that.

ZZso wht are these folks doing with the snake meat after they skin them and use their heads and rattles for sale? Are they using the meat for consumption?
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www.Bluerosy.com

>>ZZso wht are these folks doing with the snake meat after they skin them and use their heads and rattles for sale? Are they using the meat for consumption?
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>>www.Bluerosy.com
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yep...they eat them......and use the rattles and skin for products.....
Still no reason to pour gasoline into dens and ruin habitat for many animals forever.......That is an EPA and OSHA violation.....not to mention immoral and unethical.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Still no reason to pour gasoline into dens and ruin habitat for many animals forever.......That is an EPA and OSHA violation.....not to mention immoral and unethical

I thought that is illegal? Did they say that in the video? All I saw was someone catching the rattlers in the brush.

I know they used to pour gasoline. But are they still doing that? And if so, why isn't it reported to the authorities?
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www.Bluerosy.com

They still do it in Texas; our enviromental guys have declined to stop it, saying they don't have the authority. I have no clue how they can say that.
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
6.6 African House snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
.1 corn snake
4.2 Florida Kings
1.2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
0.0.1 Argentine boa

Just plain idiot rednecks there.......These are the same folks that decided to protect the Indigo cuz them dern snakes eat rattlers......LMAO......
Most folks in those parts call the only good snake a dead snake.....
Ignorance runs deep in Sweetwater.....and other places......

Remember though Texas is a huge state......You can fit about 5 average sized states in it.....and 20 plus New England states.....LOL
All different kinds here......We are not all the same......

You know they even have these roundups around St. Patrick's Day because St. Patrick was thought to rid Ireland from snakes.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Why aren't there organized protests against these events?
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“Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind.” Emmerson

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I would imagine that there are some small minority groups that do protest that from time to time that aren't given too much attention at those types of gatherings. But when the vast majority of the general public are all for it, it would sort of be like a few blacks protesting a KKK meeting.

Heck, it has been that way with snakes since the beginning of time, and will probably continue to be until the end of time.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

I would think envirnomentalists would be concerned as well as the general public attending thses meets. Maybe they just aren't educated about the gasoline. Flyers with pics need to be handed out with cute little gopher tortoises and protected indigos in these holes showing that this destroys thoses holes for many years as suitable habitat.

They need to make it about the gasoline and not about the snakes.

Simple flyer handouts at these events would turn things around.
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www.Bluerosy.com

I agree.

This would be a good place to start. If at least "the other side" of the issue had some attention brought to it, some people taking part in these freak shows might think twice about the real impact these spectacles are having on the environment. And then of course, the people seeing it on the evening news or reading about it in the next morning's paper, will hopefully learn of the "pesky" environmentalists always showing up at these events, PEACEFULLY handing out informative pamphlets. Little by little, maybe even only one at a time, people will hopefully learn.

Letters and/or petitions, backed by animal advocate groups, to state and local congress & assembly men and women, might also be an effective eay to combat this cruelty. It takes public pressure for these officials to do act on things of this nature. And it can't come from a "radical fringe" group of spooky dudes, wearing long dark cloaks, holding handfuls of copperheads, dancing aroung chanting things, either. It's gotta be "normal" people, and kids. Certainly there's gotta be some colleges and other schools in and around that area who would have some outspoken teachers and students with a passion to protect not only the snakes, but also as Rainer said - The environment as a whole.

Geez, "skinning them alive". Yeah, "that'll make a man out of 'em". I don't see logic...I see dumb people. These people suck.

Some people are just plain SCUM. Real bottom of the barrel, ignorant and cruel, SCUM Of The EARTH, lowlifes. My diplomacy is beginning to run thin these days.

Glad you mentioned that Rainer, because I was also thinking the very same thing after I posted earlier. All the authorities have to do is ask these people why the hell they are carrying their little gasoline spray bottles around, and sit hidden close by to witness these chumps spraying the gasoline down the holes catching them "RED-HANDED" doing it. But that is only if they "CHOSE" to make it a priority though as mentioned previously.

I agree, I would plaster the "gosoline" contaminating issue all over the place rather than the "SAVE THE RATTLESNAKE" issue. That could indeed turn the tables and still work to the rattsnakes benefit as more of a "bi-product" of the gasoline/environment issue.

Great idea!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

Yeah I agree. Let them catch the snakes the old fashion way rather than using pertrol or gasoline. At least they might learn something about the ecology of these snakes. Plus they won't find nearly as many. That in turn will effect sales and profit. Which might make them quit.
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www.Bluerosy.com

Yep!, without the use of the gasoline fumes to flush them out, they simply will not round up as many as using the old-school conventional way.

Even if these idiot's WERE allowed to continue with the events in the future, it would be great if the authorities told these people all as a big group BEFORE the roundup even started, that ANYONE caught using ANY TYPE of petroleum product, or any other volatile chemical, or residual products to aid in their collection, some very MAJOR fines would be imposed.

It sucks that they would be allowed to kill any at all, but as you also said, I guarantee they would probably only capture about 1/4th of what they all did without fuming them out with petroleum products.

Those ignorant clowns have to be stopped somehow!, if not altogether, at least with a serious reduction of how many they are mass-slaughtering.

Because like you said, this is about MANY other animals also being affected by this den/burrow contamination!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

I'll never understand it myself, and I can hardly even watch footage. The skinning alive is unbelievable and unnecessary. Of course many don't understand how we can feed mice to snakes in order to breed for some color morph. My wife has always maintained that there is little difference between the two - both practices kill animals for entertainment and/or money. Although she does agree that the torture of the rattlers is worse than feeding mice to snakes.
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Mark

Skinning alive you say? Even more glad I didn't watch these assholes...oops sorry, I meant @#%holes.

Our thoughts, you ask...well here's mine.

Although I didn't watch the video, because it sounds like just another mental image I'd rather pass on; choosing not to having it forever imprinted into my brain, I think I get the picture from what was described here...and yeah, I've seen it before. It's disgusting to me. It SCREAMS ignorance, stupidity, and FEAR.

It's not isolated to just Texans.

Guys (and girls), WE, are a minority here, plain and simple. Most people - and you can call it "the mainstream", generally do not like scaley, cold blooded, reptilian creatures...But there's a specific disdain for snakes - especially rattlesnakes.

From the description some of you gave on the story, it sounds like a bunch of fearmongering, backwood rednecks, perpetuating their ignorance to yet another generation of idiots. If I didn't make it clear before, It absolutely disgusts me. But the fact of the matter is, they're not all "back wood rednecks". Some of these guys are "every day folk" who think they're having good clean fun with the kids, and at the same time, doing something constructive that'll help out the community...I guess. And I say "I guess" because I cannot understand this mindset to begin with, I can only suppose what their logic is.

These people have grown up, for generations, having been taught, and believing the old notion "The only good snake is a dead one". I have ALOT, of family in Texas...and God knows I love them, but unfortunately they are the same way, in the sense that they kill rattlesnakes on sight. I have an aunt and uncle who live on a ranch in Texas, and I get regular emails several times a year, informing me of what the "body count" is up to, for all the rattlesnakes he's blown away. They see rattlesnakes as a "real" problem around there. They also buy into a lot of the old wives tales and myths surrounding these snakes as it relates to the blood thirsty and aggressive nature they possess. I recently received an "All Points Bulletin" (LOL!) that was being emailed around between friends and family, that had to do with a new trend these snakes are adopting. Apparently, these crafty and sadistic creatures are now intentionally NOT rattling anymore, prior to striking "their victims". Instead they're lying in wait, silently, for their oppotunity to kill. WTF?!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, that's how these people think. Now in defense of my uncle at least, he hates snakes so SO much, he would never go out of his way to kill them, and would NEVER go to one of these round ups to attend a mass killing of them. Basically he just kills the ones he comes across on his property...however it's still based on ignorance and fear. The thing that really annoys me, is all of my family know that I love snakes...and they think I'M the one who's crazy.

It's really quite simple though. Living in central California, where blood thirsty snakes were "not a problem", I was never taught to be afraid of them. I spent my first 10 years of life living in a small rural community where there were no rattlesnakes...however there WERE plenty of gopher snakes, garters and cal kings. As an "Unfearing" and inquisitive child, and with nothing else to do while living in the country, I quickly became familiar with these creatures, and was captivated by their interesting and unique qualities. The rest is history. I'm sure the rest of you have similar beginnings.

I used to work at a small retail reptile shop back in the early 90's, and I cannot tell you how many children were brought in with their parents(open minded, non fearing, parents I might add), over the few years I worked there, who had NO natural fear of snakes. You guys, I KNOW, see this time and time again at the shows. Many of these kids would show an instant appreciation for the animals we had. The most common question would be "can I hold it?", followed by "does he bite?" (Hahaha - nothin wrong with that). Often times, especially young children, being held in the arms of a parent, would even reach out and try grab that baby ball python or cornsnake I was showing...with absolutely no reservations or inhibitions whatsoever. The common denominator amongst all of these children were the adults who had brought them in to the store. The ADULTS, in every case, had brought them up NOT not to be fearful of these animals. So clearly, this fear is taught, and instilled in children from a young age...most often, as far back as they can remember. When children are taught not to fearful, and instead taught to appreciate the amazing and beautiful uniqueness of these animals, the children grows up like we did. Case and point: Ignorance perpetuates more ignorance.

Now as far as the law goes. There is no duobt there are laws being violated in these instances. Mostly environmental. Some of you ask "Why isn't there anything being done about it?" Well, I can tell you why. One word - Discretion. Law enforcers, without a doubt, use discretion with what laws they "choose" to enforce. And personal bias is the primary reason for this. Discretion is one of the most powerful elements a cop has at his disposal. And if "that" cop doesn't like snakes, he isn't gonna do anything about. Period. So ask yourselves, Who really cares enough about it? And I don't say that rhetorically either. I mean it - who actually cares? The cops? The lawmakers and politicians? Even the EPA probably doesn't, really. Most of these officials DON'T like snakes to begin with...and are often times just as afraid of them as the dumbasses are, out there doing these roundups. Now if it's the endangered Fairy shrimp, as was the case here in the central valley in Cali when the building of UC Merced began several years ago, only then does anyone really care, and laws are enforced. These fairy shrimp are not preceived as blood thirsty killers. In fact, to the contrary, they are small defensless critters being destoyed by mankind.

All I can say is education is the key. And it starts with the kids. In my experience, you cannot usually teach an old dog new tricks. You gotta start with teaching and educating people when they're young. And this requires well informed, and educated ADULTS to accomplish

Sorry for being so cynical, everyone. It's just that I don't have a lot of faith this widespread attitude by so many, will drastically change anytime soon.

I sure do miss seeing Steve Irwin and guys like Jeff Corwin on the Animal Planet & Discovery channel. I'm not sure what other shows are on TV these days that have this mission, so I firmly believe, more than ever, it's up to we, the enthusiasts and hobbyists, to do what we can. Reptile shows and pet shops DO make a difference, positively changing the general perception.

Happy Trails,

micah

Some Texans talking...
Dale: "I've been asked to help with the rattlesnake roundup..."
Hank: "That just ain't right, I tell you what! They oughtn't waste good propane on some ole snakes when there is plenty of good beef around!"
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

"The ADULTS, in every case, had brought them up NOT not to be fearful of these animals. So clearly, this fear is taught, and instilled in children from a young age...most often, as far back as they can remember. When children are taught not to fearful, and instead taught to appreciate the amazing and beautiful uniqueness of these animals, the children grows up like we did. Case and point: Ignorance perpetuates more ignorance"

Man, all I can say is that I am VERY glad that my parent's were not previously taught "snake haters". My mom would buy me all sorts of snakes as a young kid for birthdays and for Christmas in the late 60's early 70's from a snake collector she knew.

I remember as a family when we were all at a boy scout gathering and some other kids tapped my mom on the shoulder to try to scare the daylights out of her with a Water Snake they just caught, and when she turned around to see what they wanted, the one kid put the snake up in her face expecting her to jump out of her skin in fear and panick. So my mom calmly says to them........."oh!, that's a nice Banded Water Snake you have there!".

HAHAHAA!!

I will never forget the expressions on those kids faces as they looked at each other in absolute disappointment as my mom let the air completely out of their sails with their little practical joke they attempted on her..LMAO!!

RIP mom,.... glad you always loved animals!..

~Doug

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

hahaha! Priceless.

Doug, Great Story!!! If I was a little older that kid would have probably been me! Hahaha!

"Come over here you little whipper snapper!!!" I heard that alot growing up, amongst other things that would get me banned.
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Jimmy Tintle

Micah, great post! and touching on the same subject that Doug and you both touched on. Fear of snakes is learned by the time they are six years of age. I just read a study and if I can find the link I will post it here.

My theory on the cops is, if they don't stop the gasoline habits why are they busting us when we are just collecting to take photos or to add fresh blood to a collection. Just doesn't make sense. I guess it is what it is then.
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Jimmy Tintle

My theory on the cops is, if they don't stop the gasoline habits why are they busting us when we are just collecting to take photos or to add fresh blood to a collection.

The million dollar question.

just like here in GA you can keep all the native venemous rattlesnakes you want. But if you have a abberant motely striped mocha blast cornesnake you will have 10 cops at your door. And i am not exagerating. I KNOW from experience.

They have tyhe rattlesnake exempt because of the rattlesnake roundups here in GA. Also that and some of the snake handling churches.

Don't want to offend any rednecks with Yankee politics.
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LOL.....

"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover," (Mark 16:17-18).
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Don't get me started on talking about the bible John. Or this whole thread will explode and then get deleted as it has before.

But I do have to make one comment. The age of miracles and revelation ended with the apostles.

The last recorded miracles recored in the new testament occured around A.D. 58, with the healings on the island of Malta. From A.D. 58-96, when John finshed the book of revelation, no miracle is recorded.

Miracle gifts like tongues and healing are mentioned only in 1 Corithinians, an early epistle. Two later epistles , Ephesians and Romans , both discuss discuss the miracle gifts at length- but no mention is made of miraculous gifts. By that time miracles were already looked on as something in the past (Heb 2:3-4).

Apostlic authority and the apostolic message needed no further confirmtion. Before the first century ended the entire New Testament had been written and was circulated through the churches.

The revaltory gifts had ceased to serve any purpose . And when the apostolic age ended with the death of the Apostle John, the signs that identified he apostles had already become moot.
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Don't want to offend any rednecks with Yankee politics

ain't that the tooth!
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Jimmy Tintle

Hi Jimmy.

I know your frustration, regarding "why" the cops won't do anything. The fact is, there are many different branches of local and state law enforcement. The cops you're talking about; busting people for minimal collecting, for personal collections, are probably only gonna be your state's version of our Cal Dept of Fish & Game. In other words, they're what I affectionately refer to as "Fish Cops"....Not Sheriff Deputies, police officers, DA investigators, DEA, etc - you know, REAL cops - hahahaha! So anyway, of course it's gonna be the fish cops putting cases on people for illegal collecting and keeping restricted animals. Although I am appreciative for a lot of the enforcement they do, for instance the problem with poachers, and BTW I'm not sure HOW MUCH of a problem it is, and since I don't poach, nor do I know anyone who does, I can't really speak on that, so I am glad they seem to prioritize this. But I can also tell you they can be a little over zealous at times, too. Again, it goes back to what I said before - Discretion.

Here in Cal, there (to my knowledge unless something in the law has changed) is no bag limit on rattlesnakes. You just have to be in possession of a valid fishing license. And the reasoning behind this is supported by exactly the same logic the freaks in Sweetwater use to justify their stupidity. The right to rid one's land of a dangerous "pest". At least this is my understanding of it here. And because these snakes SEEM abundant, there's no concern for the state of their actual populations. I'm sure if a study was done, one would find that their populations are drastically being reduced every year, after all, these are large breeding adults being slaughtered, thousands every year. Tell me how this can not affect, not only the snakes themselves and the absence of future generations of these snakes, but the ecological balance of nature?

If ONE guy was found somewhere out in the desert, gassing out a bunch of snakes from a hole in the ground, one of these fish cops would probably put a stop to, or at least a stop to the "method", and might even issue a citation for collecting without a fishing license (if the guy didn't have one). But as far as addressing the likely environmental code violation - hahahhaaha!-well let me put it this way, that fish cop doesn't even know what section to look for in the EPA Code - the EPA Code that he doesn't even have! (cuz it's not gonna be in the Ca Penal Code or Fish & Game Code and/or, if it's even a crime to begin with. HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW FOR SURE IF IT's EVEN A CRIME! And it's not his fault - it's not his area of expertise...which in translation, means, IT'S NOT HIS JOB. And if he's not personally appalled by what he sees, knowing and feeling that "this JUST AIN'T RigHT, and it's gotta be illegal", then he's not gonna do anything about it. And there you go....NOTHING GETS DONE ABOUT IT.

And in the case we're talking about here, like in Sweetwater, the more people you have gathered together, doing something (even in a "grey" area such as this) in concert, the harder it is to get it stopped. Most cops simply don't see a problem with what's going on. Additionally, it's not a priority. A single cop is NOT going to want to be the lone cop that comes in and rains on everyone's parade, and be the one who stops a huge social event as this seems to be. Remember, that patrol officer, or "beat cop", has bosses too. How many county supervisors, mayors and city managers attend these rattlesnake roundups with their boys? How many were taken to them when THEY were boys? How many golf buddies and campaign contributors - of the Sheriff - attend these freak shows? Hahahaha!!!! See what I mean?!!! So Good luck on the local level.

So, as it goes in Sweetwater, where this is apparently a tradition, a "right of passage", where it's required for young boys to become men. You almost have to have an equal number of opposition, squawking just as loud as the assholes doing it.

Call the EPA next time it's scheduled to happen, BEFOREhand, and give them a heads up.

I really hope it stops though, Jimmy. It makes me sick to my stomach - those POOR, suffering animals. I just don't understand how people can be so cruel...And ignorant.

Sorry for any typos - gotta love Black Berry.

Happy trails.

micah

That's right you guys. What "SHOULD"(or shouldn't) be, and what is true reality are two VERY different things in this world we live in.

Now if the two squeeky wheels(A$$hole's) reverend Al Sharpton, or Jesse Jackson were appauled by this event, THEN something would definitely get done about it!.....

~Doug

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

.........all these snakes were a solid black coloration(Crotalus niger), these two would be much more likely to join in with major protest and hatred about what is going on.

I would think that these two would hate any leucistic or amelanistic snakes however..LMAO!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

There is such a thing as albino black people.

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www.Bluerosy.com

"There is such a thing as albino black people""

Yes, I know that. I knew an albino guy by the name of "Jake" back in high school.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

to think that color has anything AT ALL to do with it!
VERY DISTURBING INDEED

WOW

SAD

,,,,,,thomas davis
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Two unfortunate posts, Doug, IMHO. . Stick to your almost always excellent posts about snakes!

>>Two unfortunate posts, Doug, IMHO. . Stick to your almost always excellent posts about snakes!

Ditto. And I don't even like Sharpton et al.
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
6.6 African House snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
.1 corn snake
4.2 Florida Kings
1.2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
0.0.1 Argentine boa

>>Micah, great post! and touching on the same subject that Doug and you both touched on. Fear of snakes is learned by the time they are six years of age. I just read a study and if I can find the link I will post it here.
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Here is a link to the study
Born Fearless: Study Finds fear of snakes is learned

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Very interesting. Thanks for the follow up!