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Note To Readers: After finishing this I realised how long winded it was. If you're not into friendly chit chat this isn't for you.

Again not trying to talk anything to death, but sometimes you read searched forums and just don't get out of them what you want. I watched the video and immediately began searching the internet once I watched flatline. And I've checked out alot of new morph introductions on different forms, but by far flat line is the most unique looking animal I've ever seen. I think what makes it the best new up and comer for me is that I love yellow and that thing is just jumping out at you with flourescent yellow. And I really love the line on the back that truely looks like a EKG reading. There's been alot of speculation as to what it's make up is. And from what I've seen ralph isn't saying yet and understandably so. My question isn't what do you think is in it. My question is how long do you think it'll be before ralph removes the intrigue of what it is and how it was made and truely throws it into the history books. In my opinion I (and I hope I'm wrong) think it could be close to a decade before we truely find out what this thing is made of. If this snake has as many combos as people are speculating and most are speculating atleast two recessives and one co-dom. Even if someone had a recipe for and the right starter combos it could take 4 years to reproduce that snake. WOW... it's like watching a 3 hour cliffhanger waiting for it all to unfold. Congratulations ralph on such an extraordinary snake. In my opinion it's Numbre Uno if there was any snake I would spend my life savings on it would be the flatline. And I'd probably keep it as a pet. I can't wait to see if the yellow holds up over time. And hope to see more on it from ralph. Also since he's never officially announced it. Or atleast that I've seen. I wonder if flat line is going to be the name of the snake or if it was just the name of the video that started all the hype.

It is a stunning combo -- whatever the ingredients?
However, a couple of factors to consider are:

Ralph's videos are a little overexposed in lighting. I have noticed with other familiar morphs that they certainly look a shade or two lighter than they would be in person. I would love to see a PHOTOGRAPH of the Flatline.

Secondly, the Flatline we saw looked to be around 100 grams. I look forward to seeing it at 1000 grams. It could appear dramatically different. Just some food for thought.
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Bill Buchman

Seeing that snake at 1000g I bet we don't have a really long wait for that if he'll show us. That video can out at the end of last season, but I have a funny feeling that that snake was produced in '09. I really think it has something to do with pet project '09. The only thing is the genetics don't match up to anything that anyone is claming. Alot of people are claiming everything from clown, enchi, super enchi, and desert which if you look at the snake it makes sense. Personally I would thing clown, super enchi, and throw in some lemon pastel. But it's all just speculation and I hate when people say this is what it is... If they new for sure they'd be half way to making it now. Either way I still think that snake is not an '10 hatchling. If I were ralph that video would have set untouched on the computer for a year or two while that snake was growing and I was set up to produce offspring. Maybe it'll be an exciting year from Ralph Davis who knows.

It could be something new.
Not all breeders release their new stuff. (Imports etc)
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It has taken Ralph years to make such a snake and that snake combo is a testament to his breeding. That gets the rest of us to wonder and think..... and sit green with envy.

I understand his reluctance to release the ingredients since he knew enough what to breed and make such a snake. Once everyone knows and starts making them it may lessen his unique animal.

As we know, things happen fast in the ball python world and we have watched amazing projects crash before their time. I want to keep things as special as I can for as long as I can to at least slow down the process.

and of course, this get's us talking and guessing...

SATAN

>>Note To Readers: After finishing this I realised how long winded it was. If you're not into friendly chit chat this isn't for you.
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>>Again not trying to talk anything to death, but sometimes you read searched forums and just don't get out of them what you want. I watched the video and immediately began searching the internet once I watched flatline. And I've checked out alot of new morph introductions on different forms, but by far flat line is the most unique looking animal I've ever seen. I think what makes it the best new up and comer for me is that I love yellow and that thing is just jumping out at you with flourescent yellow. And I really love the line on the back that truely looks like a EKG reading. There's been alot of speculation as to what it's make up is. And from what I've seen ralph isn't saying yet and understandably so. My question isn't what do you think is in it. My question is how long do you think it'll be before ralph removes the intrigue of what it is and how it was made and truely throws it into the history books. In my opinion I (and I hope I'm wrong) think it could be close to a decade before we truely find out what this thing is made of. If this snake has as many combos as people are speculating and most are speculating atleast two recessives and one co-dom. Even if someone had a recipe for and the right starter combos it could take 4 years to reproduce that snake. WOW... it's like watching a 3 hour cliffhanger waiting for it all to unfold. Congratulations ralph on such an extraordinary snake. In my opinion it's Numbre Uno if there was any snake I would spend my life savings on it would be the flatline. And I'd probably keep it as a pet. I can't wait to see if the yellow holds up over time. And hope to see more on it from ralph. Also since he's never officially announced it. Or atleast that I've seen. I wonder if flat line is going to be the name of the snake or if it was just the name of the video that started all the hype.
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Oh yeah I understand completely. The last thing I want to see is that project turned into just another morph or for Ralph to not earn what he deserves from hard work, dedication, and knowledge. For me it's almost like watching a documentary on tv. Eventually the story will unfold and I guess I'm just impatient and can't wait to hear the story.

I have not a clue. It is amazing and if I were to attempt to re create it I would think a long the lines of a firefly super enchi clown. However I do not think thats it so I wont even go after it even though either way a firefly super enchi clown would be hot!

Oh very nice snake..makes me think it has some clown and spider in it...
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PHLdyPayne

Forum Princess

I see a very reduced clown. Enough to eliminate everything but the back stripe. I don't see the spider in it really though

I really don't think long posts bother too many people...I have been known to write quite extensive posts here and under other topics (ie bearded dragon). One thing I do suggest, is break things down into paragraphs. It makes it much easier to read through. Large blocks of text can be a bit tedious to read.

That said, I am not very curious about this 'Flat line' morph video. I must have missed it being posted here...so will go hunt for it. Then I will be more able to give my views on it. From the name it sounds like a genetic stripe. I doubt it is, far more knowledgeable ball python breeders would have seen that if it was such a simple morph. I will comment further once I find the video.
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PHLdyPayne

Forum Princess

I don't want to ruin it but it's not like any genetic stripe I've ever seen. If you want to find it quickly goto YouTube and search ralph Davis or flat line. Hope this helps.

if you have seen the reduced pattern black back spiders you would see the similarities as well as the reduced pattern clowns.

I will go on the books as guessing Reduced Spider, Pastel, Super Reduced Clown. And if anyone tells me that the pastel in it is a Citrus Pastel, I am just going to cry...lol.

Ralph have the recipe (or what he think it can be) so he can reproduce more of them with the same parents.

If that snake is a male, could also reproduce this year or next. If a female, a bit longer.

If he do reproduce more, he will eventually want to sell some. So someone will know the answer any way at some point and the information will eventually be available to the public.

But when this happens, you could be way back behind if you are not ready. That's all about business and innovation.
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Right but it's a combo. It's not like you can just breed it to a normal. It'll take a male and a female combo or at a minimum a combo and the right het. Depending on how Ralph produced that one and what his odds were it likely that another may not even be able to be reproduced this year. And to breed them consistantly depending on the recipe you'd want to breed two combos. And it'll take almost three years for the female morph to reach breeding again. There's no doubt the world will find out, but it's gonna be a while no matter what way you look at it.

I meant to say breeding age. Not breeding again. Autospells a pain.

Its a super Tiger bumble-bee reduced clown.

Mean, super enchi x desert x pastel x spider x reduced clown.

Just ask big gumms, i mean "thetruth" he already has produced them.

In fact, he already produced pastel spotnose. and super desert balls, without using adult desert females. he figured out the secrets.

BOELEN

I don't know if you were serious or not. Big Gunns seems to be a company that shouldn't really be taken seriously. Alot of cocky hype. Like they're trying to market something that isn't there, but it's hard to tell when it comes to trash talk. I really wanted to check their website out. I did a google search and all I found was a youtube video of a reptile that they gave someone and a rave party. And some forum posts saying here we are. I couldn't find an official website though. Anyone got a link?