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Here are a few recent pics I took of these guys. These are the offspring that originated from the w/c locality-specific intergrade "greenish" ratsnakes. Their grandfather was the original extremely pale morph captured in South Carolina, as well as the two females he was bred to. The two original females he was bred to were both captured within 150 yards of the morph male.

~Doug

Here is the normal "greenish" rat het female...

The normal het male....

The very light "moonshine" male with pink pupils...

The slightly darker female with dark pupils...

Another photo of the darker moonshine female...

And another pic of the very light male...

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Very nice Doug!

Beautiful snakes AND locality!! What more could be better!?
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Thanks Billy!

Yes, I certainly agree with you there.....it CAN'T get any better!

~Doug
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Doug those are really gorgeous!It's cool to see something new like that! Jeff

Thanks Jeff!

Yeah, I think these are pretty interesting too man!

~Doug
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Hey Doug. What are those integrades of? Are they Black rat and Yellow rat? I have never seen those before and they are very neat looking.

Allen Sheehan

Thanks Allen!,...

Yes, they are locality-specific Yellow x Black intergrades from the northeastern corner of S. Carolina. They are commonly referred to as "greenish" Ratsnakes.

Here is the story of their origin on my site.

"moonshine" morph

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those are some interesting looking rat snakes Doug.. what's up with the different eye colors? aren't they the same morph?
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles
www.kingpinreptiles.com

Thanks Mike!,....

Well, I believe these are hypos, and that this particular hypo gene acts similar to the "extreme" hypo gene in Honduran milksnakes, where there can be a very substantial variation of phenotypes within any given clutch. Whereas some Hondos would dislay very light bands and red pupils, and others can have darker rings and darker eyes, and anything in between. All are indeed hypos, but can look very different. either that, or there are TWO genes at work here. But since there has been at least one with very deep depp ruby-red pupils too (intermediate), I am figuring it is probably a sigle hypo gene that is inherently displayed differently amongs clutch individuals. The several clutches that my friend Jim Godfrey has produced so far had different looks to them, not a typical "cookie-cutter" look to all of the offspring.

This is yet another big reason I think these are so interesting. There is alot to explore and find out here with these in my opinion.

~Doug
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Super cool Doug, thanks for posting those. I assume they're '10 and pretty good size for sub-yearlings. My obsoletus menage isn't quite that big yet - they just topped 100 grams - and I've been feeding them well at 7-9 day intervals.
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Thanks Brad!

Yes, they are 2010 youngsters. I haven't weighed any of them yet, but I don't think mine weigh 100 grams yet though. But I will throw them on the digital scale soon and see what their weights are just to see.

later, ~Doug
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Awesome snakes and project, Doug!
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-Toby Brock
Southwestern Center for Herpetological Research

Thanks a bunch Toby!

Glad you like these guys too man...

~Doug
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Sweet! Lookin' forward to seeing these grow!
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Carl

Thanks Carl!,......me too, I look real forward to seeing what they all finally become too. I have noticed a big difference in their appearance already.

cheers!, ~Doug
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Thanks, Doug. I brought the adult female hets out of the cooler last week. The original male Moonshine is almost six feet long now. I'm sure he will be glad to find out his girls will be visiting him soon. LOL

That is great news Jim!. I'm sure we would all love to see a recent photo of the original male whenever you get a chance, as well as any others you might post along with him too. I'll bet he WILL be looking forward to some more action this season..LOL!

Once again, thanks so much for the guys I have here. They are all doing just fabulous and are as calm and easy-going as can be......with the exception of when food is offered..LOL!

Best of luck this season with all your stuff!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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What I really need to know is, where is my pair? Having grown up in southeast NC the Greenish rat snakes are the snakes of my childhood. I hope your breedings are successful and babies are offered soon.

Great snakes indeed.

Yes, at the rate these are growing, they should breed next year!..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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