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I have yet to witness a hookup from these two but then again the female has not even gone into shed yet......but the het male sure is trying from time to time.......

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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I've had good luck seeing them mate early in the morning. Other times of day not so much.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

>>I've had good luck seeing them mate early in the morning. Other times of day not so much.
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>>Bob
>>Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
>>Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

But.....the Special female has not even ovulated yet...nor has she shed since brumation.....but he is still trying.....LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

But.....the Special female has not even ovulated yet...nor has she shed since brumation.....but he is still trying.....LOL
True...males of many species have been known to persist in spite of wrong timing! LOL!
Would it be better to separate him until she is ready and try to feed him, if he will eat during the interim?
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

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>>But.....the Special female has not even ovulated yet...nor has she shed since brumation.....but he is still trying.....LOL
>>True...males of many species have been known to persist in spite of wrong timing! LOL!
>>Would it be better to separate him until she is ready and try to feed him, if he will eat during the interim?
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>>Bob
>>Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
>>Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

I separate and feed a few times a week during breeding season.....Both eat well......I've had no problems with feeding this year at all......These two prefer live over f/t though......
And I have had Thayeri and Mex Mex breed prior to a pre ovulation shed......As I stated before females sometimes ovulate before that shed......

So the plan as it usually it is to keep them together until she starts to get opaque again prior to laying eggs......Only separating to feed which is easy in the Applegate enclosures......Upstairs and Downstairs....LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

John - I doubt any of those pairings you see after ovulation are doing anything. Snakes typically breed well in advance of ovulation. For some species this may even be a necessary trigger for ovulation to occur. This way the sperm are sitting there waiting for when the ova are finally dropped into the oviduct. Any breedings after the fact are just for fun.

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Rick Staub

>>John - I doubt any of those pairings you see after ovulation are doing anything. Snakes typically breed well in advance of ovulation. For some species this may even be a necessary trigger for ovulation to occur. This way the sperm are sitting there waiting for when the ova are finally dropped into the oviduct. Any breedings after the fact are just for fun.
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>>Rick Staub

LOL....for fun.....Okay...then keeping them paired up seems to be the best way not to miss that window of opportunity.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

John - I doubt any of those pairings you see after ovulation are doing anything. Snakes typically breed well in advance of ovulation. For some species this may even be a necessary trigger for ovulation to occur. This way the sperm are sitting there waiting for when the ova are finally dropped into the oviduct. Any breedings after the fact are just for fun.
A most useful bit of information! Thanks, Rick!
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Im not so sure about that. I had a Corn snake that I did not want to breed because she was a bit on the small side. Then I eventually noticed she was full of eggs. Large ones, and I could could count exactly how many she had. I changed my mind thinking, if she was gonna lay the eggs, then why not have them fertile? So I put her with a male, and just a couple weeks later she laid a very fertile clutch.
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Jorge Sierra

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>>Im not so sure about that. I had a Corn snake that I did not want to breed because she was a bit on the small side. Then I eventually noticed she was full of eggs. Large ones, and I could could count exactly how many she had. I changed my mind thinking, if she was gonna lay the eggs, then why not have them fertile? So I put her with a male, and just a couple weeks later she laid a very fertile clutch.

I believe that is why Rick stated "typically" not a broad statement like all the time............
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

>>I believe that is why Rick stated "typically" not a broad statement like all the time............
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>>John Lassiter

I just thought I would share my experience, that's all. I do agree that most probably mate early on and retain the sperm for just the right time.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

>>>>I believe that is why Rick stated "typically" not a broad statement like all the time............

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>>I just thought I would share my experience, that's all. I do agree that most probably mate early on and retain the sperm for just the right time.

LOL...I just thought you disliked broad, "all the time" statements is all......LOL

I never said anyone stated all the time......just typically......lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Generally follicles are hard like marbles and fertilized ova are soft like water balloons. Many keepers believe their snakes have already ovulated because they can feel the eggs. Problem is fertilized eggs are difficult to feel until females are close to laying and have finally shelled the eggs. Not saying that your corn snake still had not ovulated, but my experience is that females will not ovulate unless they are exposed to a male. The reason for this is that once a female ovulates she cannot reabsorb the ova. Reabsorbtion only occurs in the ovary.

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Rick Staub

That makes sense, but it was a very short time that the male was with the female just before she laid the eggs? It was a last minute decision. I have had females reabsorb eggs like you said though, when males were not introduced.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

Any breedings after the fact are just for fun.
Not to say that snakes don't enjoy sex, but sex for pleasure only and not for procreation I thought was more a human being and some of the higher apes thing. I would think the snakes are responding to pheromones which are only released when there is a chance of fertilization, and after the fertilization is complete the pheromones will shut off, and with it the sexual activity.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

>>Any breedings after the fact are just for fun.
>>Not to say that snakes don't enjoy sex, but sex for pleasure only and not for procreation I thought was more a human being and some of the higher apes thing. I would think the snakes are responding to pheromones which are only released when there is a chance of fertilization, and after the fertilization is complete the pheromones will shut off, and with it the sexual activity.

NO...they have sex by instinct......not for pleasure like humans AND DOLPHINS......lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

"So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish!"
LOL!
I have always envied dolphins; swimming around in the ocean and not having to wear clothes or have boring jobs or go to war with their own kind...
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

"I have always envied dolphins; swimming around in the ocean and not having to wear clothes or have boring jobs or go to war with their own kind"

I certainly understood your main point, but sadly enough, the fact is..Dolphins (porpoises) have been documented with video killing other clans, and other subspecies of porpoise. I have seen it first-hand on TV documetaries, and it was very tough to watch them while they were basically "murdering" the other one's they chose to attack and kill. They bashed them with blunt-force trauma with their snouts, and also showed very clearly them being held down so they couldn't surface to breathe...drowning them.

It was pretty nasty stuff to watch, but nature can be extremely cruel. It's just the way it is.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

Nature's nasty. Chimps, lions, grizzly bears, ants, black widows, ducks...all sometimes kill their own species.
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
1.3 African House Snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
1 corn snake
4.3 Florida Kings
2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
1 Argentine boa
1 Texas Rat Snake
1 checkered garter snake

Exactly!

They all do it for their own natural reasons to help ensure THEIR genes get passed on regardless of how barbaric it seems to 21st century humans.

Heck, throughout all human history, mankind has proven to be the MOST barbaric species on the planet anyway.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

Heck, throughout all human history, mankind has proven to be the MOST barbaric species on the planet anyway]

By far dude. BY FAR!
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Just a comment to be funny. If anything a lot of sex for snakes in captivity is just females acquiescing from being continually badgered.
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Rick Staub

Just a comment to be funny. If anything a lot of sex for snakes in captivity is just females acquiescing from being continually badgered.

Having fun this afternoon!
I took out the other female he had mated with for several days as she did look like she was ready for a rest.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Very nice!

I've always thought those Applegate "specials" where gorgeous!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

>>Very nice!
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>> I've always thought those Applegate "specials" where gorgeous!

Thanks Doug.....I like the Specials too, but would love to see a Hypo-E Special.........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I would strongly concur!!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties