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Can you make a super stipe by breeding a super stripe to a normal?

Is there a super spector/whirwind? Or are they like the spider and pinstripes?

If so there would be a lot more. It is like a super from a mojo and a lesser, when bred to a normal you get half mojo and half lesser, no normals or supers.

super stripe is a spector and YB....

to a normal you would get spectors and YB.....

?? I never thought of it...why would you not be able to get both in one egg...?...aka super stripe....?

same as mojo pastel to normal...get mojo, pastel and mojo pastels again?...

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The thinking is that yellow belly and specter are two different versions of the same gene. Each parent only passes one copy of each gene. Sort of like albino and normal for albino are two different versions of that gene and a het albino can't pass both its normal version and its albino version to the same baby. The only difference is that with the yb complex we have more than just one mutant version of that gene.

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you all lost me....

I thought there HAS been super spectors made?(super whirlwind also actually)???....

if YB and spector are the same it would make...ivory....

super stripes are 2 things mixed...either way we think of it...?

....I get the same thing different thing theory you all present....

WHERE IS MARK HAAS...???....etc etc etc....LOL

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Yes I think there is a super spector....

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since it's thought that the spector/whirlwind and Yb are different mutations of one mutation....similar to mojave, lesser, vin russo, etc... (platinum complex)

is? or will the super spector (homo spector) be similar to that of the ivory (homo YB) since mojave, lesser..etc all have similar supers and can make similar supers if crossed amongst the platinum complex.

my opinion is that if the super spector is not similar to the ivory in color and pattern, then the spector could not possibly be in the YB family. also we know that the YB x spector produces a super stripe...which is not the case within the "platinum complex" because if you would cross any of the morphs within the Platinum complex you get similar looking supers.

this is not the case with YB and spector.....if they were in the same family YB x spector would in theory create an ivory looking animal.

my take on it is that spector is a subtle morph on it's own, much like the special x mojave creates a crystal. the special is a morph on it's own that when tagged with a mojave you create something completely different (a combo)

sorry....just me rambling....

Pitoon

>>Yes I think there is a super spector....
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I agree with you that Spector is not the same thing as Yellow belly. It appears the two are located at, or very near, the same place on the DNA strand but are clearly more than just alleles. Perhaps they are seperate but interact to make the Super stripe. It could be that they are located on the same chromosome and eventually someone will get them (through recombination) to cross-over. This has been seen with recessive genes located near each other...it can take hundreds or thousands of eggs before they eventually cross-over and combine in one animal. I don't see why it couldn't happen with two co-doms.
You lost me on the special part though. In my opinion Special, Mystic and hidden gene (Platinum sib) are all members of the BEL complex and Crystals, Mystic potions and Platinums are all low grade BELs. I'm using 'low grade' as a descriptive term here not in a derogatory sense as they are truly beautiful animals.
Just my own speculation, I guess it will take some experimentation to find out what is happening with the Super stripes.

John

Why do you feel that specter and yellow belly are different mutations of different genes that just happen to be linked by proximity on the same chromosome and not different mutations of the same gene?

Both are certainly possible and without a crossover I don't know how we'll ever prove one way or the other. It's just that to me ivory looks like a more faded out puma (the American usage) which looks like a more faded out super stripe so I could see this being an allele group. From what I can tell all three have the same pattern it's just that there isn't much color to see it in the Ivory. I would expect the homozygous specter to be on the darker end and not an ivory look.

It's certainly possible that the two mutations are allelic. I don't discount that idea entirely. I was merely suggesting another possible theory that would still be consistent with the breeding results so far.
It just seems very inconsistent to me that a trait like YB which affects both color AND pattern in dramatic ways could somehow lose the ability to affect color when combined with an allelic trait. Because all of the super stripes that I have seen so far have no ivory-like color changes at all. It seems reasonable that two seperate co-dom traits, one affecting pattern and the other affecting pattern and color could intersect to affect just the pattern.
As I said, it's just a theory. I haven't seen a super spector yet so it may have an ivory like appearance (khaki perhaps?) which would clearly show that they are allelic.

John