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yea i might just want to stop everything from breeding, to do that go clean yours i dont think mine are bothered by it

I didn't understand the "clean cages" post?

I don't either. Nobody is cleaning out their burrows in the wild.
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Scott Hager
Red Barn Reptiles

This is true and that means when they get sick in the wild and they don't recover on their own (since no one is taking care of them) they die is that how you treat your animals?? Didn't think it through real well did you?

...that snakes get sick and die from being around their own feces and sheds in wild burrows, do you??? Do you honestly think that they need people to take care of them??? I hope that I misread your post, because that is quite silly. These things crap and shed in their burrows constantly to mark them. A little poop in the cage, or a shed, or a spilled water bowl will not harm them at all, unless your hubandry sucks.

There are some folks on this forum with a lot of experience. Experience to know that it is far better to leave the cage alone when breedings are going on. Those folks who need to keep their cages immaculate at all times are really doing it for benefit of themselves and their ocd, not the snakes. Snakes have evolved to be in close proximity to bacteria. Short term exposure will not harm them at all if temp choices are appropriate. I don't know if you know this, but snakes come from areas that are, well, dirty. They have evolved superior immune systems that can easily handle any little nasties that they encounter in their burrows and the environment, including a little poopy. Their immune systems are based upon the ability to choose the temps that they need. They are able to easily do this in the wild and in captivity when given appropriate temp choices (good hubandry).

I don't mean to seem condescending if you are already aware of this, but your post implied that you are not. To call out a guy who clearly know what he is doing about a little fecal matter or spilled water is a wee-bit nit-picky and presumtuous. His snakes look great and are clearly in robust health. To try and draw attention away from his accomplishments over something so truly insignificant is petty.

Will

thank you WILL, very well put

Very well put.

THANKS FOR LOOK OUT, TOM

Tom , its that you are so far ahead , the lil pipi's have to try and slow you down.. Somehow.. I cant wait to see the resulsts from this pairing and an extra dirrty cage!
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.Spencer.

I could give two sh*ts if he is ahead of me. I wouldnt wanna buy a sick animal from him from his lack of care. That's what I'm getting at you moron.

Sounds to me like someone is jealous!

...you are absolutley wrong. Everybody here has confirmed that. You are focusing on inconsequential things.
Poop in cage = sick snake..that is silly.

Your post reflects the opinions of a rookie. While that is fine, you have no right to call out someone based on a messy cage. You claim that his animals are sick, when you can clearly tell that his animals receive great care simply from their appearance. If you can't, then that again confirms rookie status, which is fine, but don't spout off opinions based on shallow understanding. The ball pythons that gentleman has been posting are robust and healthy, they are breeding, they are achieving life events, they have poop in their cages... get over it, it happens.

With each word you type, you achieve less credibility. Stop please.

Will

thanks again WILL , VERY WELL PUT

pheromones in urates and sheddings.

That is a big something that I should have included. I was so focused on the "health factor", that I forgot to include the huge influence that the pheromones deposited with the nasties and sheds play, thank you very much for pointing out my omission.

Will

some people would understand if it was staring them in the face , thank you

thanks it looks like some people are not seeing the snakes in the photo and see everything else ,, 100 clean and 1 dirty

clean the cages before you put the males in and change out the water when they get dirty simple task I would think you can handle that since you invested so much money into this.

yea your right i do have one dirty cage out of 100 and some of them look grey do to the bad phone i use sometimes to take pictures. i know the cage was dirty , my females are very well fed and most of the time when i put a male in they will take a very powerful dump before they lock up , this pair was together for 3 days before they locked and stayed locked for almost 2 days i am not going to bother them while they are going at it , and if you think my stuff is bad well i guess you should not buy anything from me , i will just keep most of it like i have been as far as water bowls take a good look ,it is a clear cup with bedding underneath it , if my husbandry is so bad i guess i wouldnt be making all the one of a kind snakes that i have , oh and my bedding also costs 26 dollars a bag it is pure white called diamond soft just so i can see everything thats going on in the cages . and believe me i spend a lot of money on feeders and supplies so if you really think i leave my cages like this i dont know what to tell you , but like i said before if there breeding they get left alone until its over , if there breeding and i see it i take the picture dirty cage or not i will post it like it is

Looks fine to me. Do you use Carefresh as a substrate?
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Lincoln, NE
0.1 Pastel, 1.0 Pastel het Pied, 0.1 Pied, 0.1 Cinn, 1.0 Black Pewter, 1.0 Woma (hidden gene?), 0.1 Yellowbelly
2.1 Normals, 1.0 Thayeri, 0.1 Thayeri X Alterna, 0.1 Whitesided P. catenifer sayi, 0.1 crazy cat, 1.0 husband

Right, a dirty cage looks good to you? I can only image what your house looks like dude, do you sh*t in your bed room? Do you use dirty dishes? You're all a bunch of nasty people if you think keeping animals on dirty cages is fine. It just shows how you live aswell so good luck with your diseased homes and animal cages.

Are you jealous that the snakes got a little action on a Saturday Night??

Or, did you go a little overboard last night and wake up in a pile of your own sh/t this morning??

Just a curiosity.

You should see me collection right now.

One of my prized Ivory gals is practically incubating a fresh pile of crap. I can't tell if she's developing feelings for the poop, but she appears to be attached to it................

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"Have you hugged your drummer today?" --- Me

oh my that was just rude how dare you brag about your sh*t infested cage and talk about my sex life ugh your just so mean. I'm gonna call you a meanie head yes that's what you are.

I think its funny how you're gonna go off topic to say things about my sex life and being jealous as an excuse to state his cages are dirty that just shows how much of a rocket scientist you are.

I don't see how you can justify poor husbandry as a good practice. You can keep it coming sweet cheeks I don't back down to stupidity like you. Until you can prove my posts are wrong and that I don't know what I'm talking about I will see you as nothing more than a parasite, a disease, a waste of life.

my friend i use diamond soft it is pretty expesive 26 dollars a bag so when my cages get dirty i can see everything in there i do have one dirty cage this guy is probably talking about , from what i see in my breeding sinc emy snakes are so well fed that sometimes when i put a male in they will not lock up until the female takes a good load and usually dirtys the bedding but i am not going to clean anything when they are breeding instead of seeing what i am pairing some people can only see the [bleep] . and thats ok in the end i will still be making babies and they will be commenting on somebody elses [bleep]

Cleanliness may be next to Godliness, but your insulting manner isn't. A little mold or poop isn't going to hurt.
You said you wouldn't buy from Tom because of poor husbandry, that is fine, you know his name and don't have to buy from him. Personally, I'd rather buy from Tom than a hothead that gets bent out of shape over nothing. We don't even know your name to know who to boycott.
Mike Bell

thanks mike good looking out

This argument is assinine! I just went back and looked at every pic and didn't see any dirt or filth to be concerned with! I think what we have here, is a poster that is jealous of Tom's animals! How petty! Congratulate him on his animals or how bout nothing at all? Really nice animals Tom! Good luck and for the record, I'd buy snakes from you!

Go look at the enchi bumble x super pastel pinstripe, that cage is disgusting and the water bowl is full of urates and urine. That's so clean man that's a picture perfect cage isn't it? But it's whatever I'm tired of hearing you all defend him just stop I don't care anymore its settled he lost a customer in me and you all will supply his income it's fine I dont really care anymore.

Also I'm not jealous I don't really care what he owns it's ok if he's wealthy and can afford 10K snakes it's cool more power to him. I'm poor and I admit it I'm trying to become someone of importance at my job so maybe one day I'll be wealthy or atleast middle class, you all can laugh at me its cool. I'm just a nobody anyway so who cares right?

FOR YOUR INFO THE CAGE IS DIRTY LIKE I STATED BUT MAYBE YOU SHOULD TAKE A GOOD LOOK SAYING THE WATER IS FULL OF URITES LIKE I SAID THE DELI CUP IS CLEAR AND THAT IS CAGE BEDDING UNDER THE DELI CUP

Granted, the cage may look dirty, but does someone have to clean a cage before taking a picture to post? What happens if they were put together, ran around, dropped some urates, took a poop and locked up later that day? its not smart to open and close bins every twenty minutes to see if you have to clean them. Most people have a set schedule for cleaning, like every thursday, feed every sunday as an example. Obviously if a cage is checked and its soaking wet, and smelly, then it can be cleaned earlier...but to clean them DAILY is not a smart thing to do if your breeding.....think about it.
Especially if they are locking up!
Whose to say the cage was dirty before he put them together? Something to think about.

your abosultely right mike ,if you look at all the pictures and check out every cage tell me how many look like that none , thanks tom

I think he's talking about the discoloration next to the water dish, which looks to me like it could just be wet substrate and a crappy pic.
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"What is man without the beasts?
If all the beasts were gone,
men would die from great loneliness of spirit.
For what happens to the beasts,
soon happens to men.
All things are connected."

-Chief Seattle (Duwamish Tribe)

Could be worse. He could be bleaching his tubs every time he cleans, and completely changing bedding instead of spot cleaning...
and then wondering why his snakes are constantly sick because they don't have an immune system.
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"What is man without the beasts?
If all the beasts were gone,
men would die from great loneliness of spirit.
For what happens to the beasts,
soon happens to men.
All things are connected."

-Chief Seattle (Duwamish Tribe)

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