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Hi,
Between A blue and yellow spot Timor what the diffrence?
Price?Orgin? I jsut can seem to find any info on it

Both are from timor complex.
But probably not the same specie. Min. 2 diff. subspecies

The blue Spot his not even considering a timorensis but V. auffenbergi, a distinct spe.
So the Y spot his a timorensis ssp, a auffenbergi ssp, or another "new" sp.

They are both the same basic monitor, they are in the timor complex. They just come from different islands so are a bit different in color.

Indo, has somewhere between 14000 and 18000 islands, so there is a BUNCH of different kinds of the same basic monitors.

You can name them any old thing you want, but they are still about the same as eachother, timor types, when compared to any other monitor. As in, same size, same basic shape, same basic behavior, habitat choice etc. Just different locals.

Is there a price difference between an Yellow spot and Blue spot?

Just like the Darwin's finches Frank ?
Maybe, or maybe not...

If the question is "may I work all of them just the same?" the answer is "yes, probably, but the monitor tell's you if your support is good for him".
If the question is "Are they same species?" the answer is, in my sense, "not so evident". It's not, in my sense, just a question of "how the academics name them".
But I understand why you say that Frank.

And the price is about "newing" and "rarity". The "rarity" is choice, organise by exporters and importers in the major cases.

I do agree with you. While they are the same in one sense, they are also isolated and have been seperate long enough to develop minor changes.

I really find it hard to call them different species, as they are more like eachother, then they are to any other monitor, in fact so alike its mainly slight color differences.

But, as of now, subspecies is not popular as are location morphs, like with plants.

The problem is, Scientific names, what is printed in books, genus, species, and subspecies is mainly of benefit to the lay person. You know to look up what A animal is. It is here that Science has become lost. If you read the genus and species of say, auffenburgi, you would not know that its a timor type and not closer related to a Lacie or a bengal or a KD.

of course, further research will allow you to understand the genetic relationships etc. But thats not the purpose of those three names. So as of now, science has lost its way. As of now, scientific nomenclature is aimed at taxonomy folks only. Its just a part of a puzzle they can play with. Its lost its utility for the common person with some interest.

"The problem is, Scientific names, what is printed in books, genus, species, and subspecies is mainly of benefit to the lay person. You know to look up what A animal is. It is here that Science has become lost."

Where did this information come from? Are we just making things up at this point? Scientific names serve multiple purposes, not the least of which is to help map out EVOLUTIONARY relationships. Scientific nomenclature has absolutely nothing to do with helping a "layperson" keep track of names.

"As of now, scientific nomenclature is aimed at taxonomy folks only. Its just a part of a puzzle they can play with. Its lost its utility for the common person with some interest."

So, which is it? Is it aimed at laypeople or taxonomy folks? This is a direct contradiction. Not to mention that I highly doubt that the guiding purpose of scientific discovery and advancement is for "the common person with some interest." Biologists have much bigger goals than simply giving the average hobbyist methods to breed more animals or name them.