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and I wouldn't dare post a single question I have on husbandry on this forum....I did once and was told practically what an idiot I was for not caring for my snakes the way someone wanted me too.
From that day forward I only post my life experiences in this hobby and will not get into any discussion on husbandry of any animal unless it is strictly my life experience.I research what I can, either at the library or online if I can't find the answer with in the collection of books I have at home. I will discuss possible genetics as the books I have on hand only do punnet squares, I will also post pictures of animals and congratulate people on a job well done....

I find this forum sad, and I feel terrible for the poster down below to listen to seasoned people in this hobby argue on what's best for the animal. I know some of us here have children, and we know that every child is different and each one thrives in different situations, but the basic care of food,water, and housing has to be there in some form or another to survive.

Some parents feel that all natural butter is better than margarine, even scientists don't know! As they have flip flopped on that subject more than once in my lifetime. So parents make the decision on what's best by what they know and what has worked for friends or family. Whether it be right wrong or indifferent.

It's a shame to have someone with 30 yrs experience not want to post his findingsand/or experiences with us because of childish arguments. I can understand why some of the well known kings and milk breeders don't post anymore. This forum has been around a long time and has some real valuable information in its archives, and could continue but not at this rate.

I don't know if this was the best thing to do is post this, but I have to get it off my chest, I am here to increase my knowledge of this hobby. I hope to do so but don't want to wade through 25 posts of arguments to find that diamond in the rough.

Thanks for reading and I am getting back to what I enjoy. Talking snakes among colleages and breeding,feeding,and caring for them the best way I know how.
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Jimmy Tintle

It is very sad that this forum not only gets laughed at by real professionals in this hobby, but also, you and others are treated horribly due to any type of husbandry question. That should never happen, ever.

You had a very good post!
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Genesis 1:1

Right On Jimmy!

It IS getting pathetic here.........
I wish folks would understand that there are multiple ways to keep their animals........and all are correct if their animals are thriving......

I've seen pics of Rainer's, Ross', Bob's, Frank's, Tony's, Shannon's, Doug's, Thomas', Billy's, Jerry's and Jorge's snakes...and MANY others'...All look damn healthy to me.......They may all do it a different way but the result is the same......

Bonding is NOT necessary........Feeding weekly is NOT necessary......Feeding 20 pinks to a single snake is NOT necessary but........All can be done successfully.......Does that make it right....NO!
It just makes it possible..................that is all.....

So I say again.....
Learn from your snakes and not from egotistical keepers you can find on this forum.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Bonding is NOT necessary........Feeding weekly is NOT necessary......Feeding 20 pinks to a single snake is NOT necessary but........All can be done successfully.......Does that make it right....NO!
It just makes it possible..................that is all.....
LMAO!!!
I have done all those things! And some other odd things (let's see if THAT works) I wont mention for fear of embarrassment...My snakes are healthy so I guess they forgive me.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

So you answer this, what is necessary??? Then once you accomplish what is necessary, what is your next step, to stop at the bare minimum?

What about what is more then necessary to the animal. Do the animals have a say in this??????? Do they deserve more then necessary????? What do the animals deserve?

What about the potential of each individual animal???????

What about learning what THEY ARE AND what THEY DO, instead of forcing what you want on them. You know the bare minimum?

As far as I can tell, this forum is filled with the general public. As such, has all manner of folks, I guess that includes whiners, and everybodies picking on me, type people. Which is does. If the person dwells on them before the animals, they fall into those two catagories.

The REAL PROBLEM is, when you put a living animal in a BOX, It becomes ALL about the animal, and not about you. Which is what missing here, WHAT ABOUT THE ANIMAL.

Somebody says anything with the interest of the animal in mind, and some thin skinned mamby pamby person gets their undies in a knot.

Man(actually human up) friggin up, grow some nads(so to speak) Its about the animals. Not everything is about you!

Then grow some more of those things, if you don't like what someone says, so the frig what. Ignore what does not suit you. You do know that in all walks of life, somebody is going to say something, all manner of somethings, Do you take everything said to heart?????? I say, good luck with that! Your in for a long haul.

The point, read the intro, this forums is about the keeping and breeding of kingsnakes in captivity. It does not say, this is a forum of thin skinned tender souled people looking to bolster their egos, forum. THis forum is about the animals, can you take a backseat for just a minute?

This is the most silly thought you could ever entertain. A person comes here and says, I have a problem, so they get all manner of suggestions on what they did wrong to get that problem. Then the keeper says, no thats not it, I did everything right. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha That is so common here its pathetic.

Its simple, if something is wrong with a captive animal in your care, YOU DID SOMETHING TO CAUSE IT. PERI friggin iod.

Grow some and listen to the advice, and either do it or not. But to take it personal. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT. and I mean good luck for your poor captive snake. As its the one that actually suffers.

These animals are designed to grow reproduce and do it again, that is normal to them. They know how to do that all on there own. They have been doing that since your ancestors were monkies, or not on this earth yet, your pick. So whats the big deal?

I guess its all about attitude, I feel relieved when I can support these animals to attain goals they inherently know how to do. I do not feel special. So of you do it to BE special, in my opinion, don't use animals to feel special. Try to make the animals special.

A lot of you folks just want to feel special and keep animals in boxes to do so. The problem is, you were either special or not, before you put animals in boxes. They do not make that difference.

The reality of these forums is so friggin absurd. All thats here is, letters on a screen, ONE click and those letters are gone. Another click and another subject appears, another click and naked women or men appear. Another click, really nice cars appear. another click and god is all over you.

And you let letters on a screen bother you. hahahahahahahahahaha Rant # 3984737 good luck with that!

FR,

I think most of us here put the animals first and that is why we are here to become knowledgable and learn! I also feel that childish petty "I'm right your wrong" type atmosphere is not correct.I don't believe government or anyone else for that matter should tell me there is a right or wrong way to raise my kids. As long as I make what I feel is the right choices for them at the time of my knowledge...

I understand and agree to an extent that if there is a problem it usually is at the husbandry of the keeper. I also believe that if it wasn't for trial and error in the 1900's our hobby wouldn't be where it is today....Snakes Die! People Die! all from the decisions of the keeper or parents! That does not mean at the time of the cause the decision that is made was wrong at the time.....Or an unknown.

Now, I feel if you post your life experiences (as do authors in books on animals) those life experiences may become out dated, just like books....We have all seen husbandry care written years ago that does not fit into days world....Are they all wrong? No, they did what was the best at the time....What did our hobby do before heat tape???Ceramic heaters???Thermostats???? Were they wrong then???

I think there should be a diclaimer at the top of these forums stating..."Past performance of animals may not be indicative of future results, Read at your own risk"

I think we all need to post what our experiences or Trial and Errors are and let the OP take in what he thinks is best! Right wrong or indifferent

IMHO - I hope everyone!! has a safe and prosperious spring and I look forward to seeing some amazing healthy animals produced this year!!! Looking forward to seeing pics and meeting some of you at shows this year!!!
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Jimmy Tintle

Jimmy, whats the matter with you? why do you care what others do or say???? That is something you need to ask yourself.

If your doing good, then what reason would you even care about what others say. After all, its your animals that tell you if your husbandry is good or not.

If your having a problem, then why do you worry about anything that does not help your monitors.

This is a husbandry forum first and foremost. Its also a social gathering.

As such its no different then high school. Or college, or church. Its a group of people, each with their own personal agenda. Each has their own "word". Some have personal reasons, some have other reasons.

None of which matters. What matters is the information, if it helps you, then good, if not, so what. 99% of what is said is not of help in any area. This is people, people talk(write)

If your here to make friends, then pick the ones that fit your pattern of friends. If none fit that mold, so be it. Its not this places problem, its yours, find another place.

But to whine about what others say, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm has nothing to do with your snake concerns. Cheers

FR,

Jimmy, whats the matter with you? why do you care what others do or say???? That is something you need to ask yourself.

Nothing, It is truely hard to feel out someone on words typed alone versus said with emotion. I don't care what others say so to speak, but I do care about the overall hobby. We all know that $%!& rolls down hill, and one bad apple ruins it for the bunch. So everyone new here should be treated with respect! That's all, sometimes you just never know....

If your having a problem, then why do you worry about anything that does not help your monitors.

See, if I do have a problem I seek information to correct it, but when you feel that your going to be called a clown or a idiot why post it here. Even though, the knowledge is here to give me the information to correct the issue.

As a newbe I have a hard time figuring out who has the knowledge I seek and who doesn't, and I have been told by many that Rainer has a ton of knowledge, great, but by some of his posts I would have thought different. (Rainer this is not a shot at you.)If I ever decide to keep L.g.floridana I may use some or all of Rainer's knowledge....I just feel it's hard for newbe's to feel out who's who here....

This is a husbandry forum first and foremost. Its also a social gathering.

None of which matters. What matters is the information, if it helps you, then good, if not, so what. 99% of what is said is not of help in any area. This is people, people talk(write)

Agreed 100% I don't know I would use "agenda", sounds to government like...lol

But to whine about what others say, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm has nothing to do with your snake concerns. Cheers

See, it wasn't a whine at all, it was more of a "Here's my thoughts" type thing....As a newbe to this forum I was just stating my experiences/feelings here. In the hope that, some may think different when they discuss an issue on a newbe's question, and not make them feel inferior.

As I have to admit, I was just caught in forum politics and have made note to self, to stay out of them. Like many I may become disinterested in this forum and not come back as I feel I cannot learn anymore from the posts....Enough of my babbling self and I am to return to...as you said "SNAKE CONCERNS"
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Jimmy Tintle

I am doing just fine Frank....I have listened to you, Rainer, Don Shores and Don Soderberg for years......I consider you guys my mentors.....

I provide for my snakes and my snake thrive.....I am breeding Mexicana at 18 months and double clutching them....They eat until they are full every time they are hungry.....I have some communual habitats set up and have great thermal and humidity gradients...........So....If that is how we are gauging success then my snakes are being successful.....In my honest opinion.....I think the snakes can vouch for me too if the really could talk.......LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Quick, He's turning to the right!!!! J/k Lol!
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

>>Quick, He's turning to the right!!!! J/k Lol!

Hehe....you like that one eh?
I could have said neck instead of nose though.....LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

In my opinion John, your doing great. Your posts are some of the few I always look at. The reason is, you have beautiful animals. beautiful includes health.

But I have to ask, what was the purpose of this last reply?

>>In my opinion John, your doing great. Your posts are some of the few I always look at. The reason is, you have beautiful animals. beautiful includes health.
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>> But I have to ask, what was the purpose of this last reply?

To be honest I thought your reply was under my post and not Jimmy's.....So disregard.....but thanks Frank.....LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

This is Classic! It would almost be poetry, if I could understand who, and what you were talking about, lol.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

....is one of my personal favorites. I agree with you 100% buddy, but would have said it nicer hahahahaha.

Will

Have my flavis hatched yet?

t's pretty obvious someone hacked the system and posted comments pretending to be from someone else, to satirize his sometimes controversial and sometimes thought-provoking ideas (satire: criticizing an idea by taking it to an extreme.)

That person posts some useful ideas here, ideas worth considering. Don't let someone's sly take-a-good-thing-to-an-extreme post spoil that. I'll continue to mine his posts for the nuggets and skip the pyrite, the parts that don't make sense to me--just as everyone should with what I post here.

I've always advocated testing (by rigorous mental examination or in practice) ALL the ideas you hear, and adopting the ones that make sense. Axiom #2: don't believe everything anyone tells you; and #3: there are many different methods that work, not just one single bar-all-the-others right way.

rigorous mental examination

I think I need one of those...LOL
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Jimmy Tintle

I've had those...when they say to turn your head and cough it sucks
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
1.3 African House Snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
1 corn snake
4.3 Florida Kings
2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
1 Argentine boa
1 Texas Rat Snake
1 checkered garter snake

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

>>LMAO!!!
>>I have done all those things! And some other odd things (let's see if THAT works) I wont mention for fear of embarrassment...My snakes are healthy so I guess they forgive me.

I too take everyone's information and sift through the crap and apply what works....I have tried many things over the last 18 years and have stuck with what works......and improved on what didn't.......The one option we can never provide is what other snakes to bond with.....or to mate with......WE choose that for them.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Well said Jimmy, very well said.
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BigT
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. The ignorant can be taught, stupidity is beyond our control.
1.2 P. m. melanoleucus B/W N. J. Northern Pines
1.2 P. d. deppei Mexican Pines
2.2 P. l. lineaticollis Linis or Lined Pines
1.2 P. m. lodingi Black Pines
0.3 P. c. sayi red bulls
1.1 Drymarchon melenurus Blacktail Cribo
1.2 D. corais Yellowtail Cribos
1.2 M. s. cheynei Jungle Carpet
2.6 L. p. pyromelana Arizona Mt. Kings
1.1 L. g. californiae B/W Cali kings
0.0.3 M. f. flagellum Eastern Coachwhips
1.2 G. m. bottegoi Western Plated lizards

Jimmy very good post indeed, I would have to say I agree with you 100%.
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Tom S
1.1 Flame Lampropeltis getla Floridana
1.0 Hypomelanistic Lampropeltis getula Floridana
0.1 Axanthic Lampropeltis getula Floridana
0.1 Hypomelanistic Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis
1.0 Anerythristic Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis

This post addresses an important issue. If we were all in the same room together face to face would we be as prone to argument and even rudeness as we sometimes are on the Internet.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

This post addresses an important issue. If we were all in the same room together face to face would we be as prone to argument and even rudeness as we sometimes are on the Internet.

No we would not.

The internet is much like drinking alcohol for some people. They grow a spine and act and do things they never would do in person. Basically they get some balls. But when sober (withoiut the internet) they are spineless and shrink away from any real life discussion. Posting on the internet forums takes away the humansness of real life. Personality types, they way we interact, and the way we post come out different the way it would in real life.
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www.Bluerosy.com

My mouth has always got me in trouble, cause I say what I believe. It's that simple. I won't change my opinion because I am in front of people. People who know me can vouch for that. Sorry if I speak my mind, I don't expect everyone to follow lock and step, with everything I say. It's my opinion, nothing more. Intergrety is a dying virtue!
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

My mouth has always got me in trouble, cause I say what I believe. It's that simple. I won't change my opinion because I am in front of people. People who know me can vouch for that. Sorry if I speak my mind, I don't expect everyone to follow lock and step, with everything I say. It's my opinion, nothing more. Intergrety is a dying virtue!

Jorge,

I did not mean to include you in my above post. Sorry! i should have included a discalimer about you because i know you are not like the others . And I respect that.. But i have met the others in person. And it is i say in my above post.
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www.Bluerosy.com

Rainer your correct, and let me add to the fact if your mad or upset when you read something you have a tendency to take it differently as there is no emotion behind the type....
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Jimmy Tintle

I have to agree with that. This forum is nothing like it used to be in the late 1990's.

We used to get banned for posting pictures that had our name on it.

We used to get banned for questioning their new format when they swithced it.

We used to get banned for mentioning that we would have a booth at a reptile show.

But they allow trolls to keep coming on here. Poor leadership (moderators are responsible for this). They allow favortism.

I rarely participate in topics and just post pictures every now and then.....simpler, less stressful. I actually go days without seeing this forum, it used to be a daily addiction.
Now, sometimes there aren't any new posts in days.

I and trying to reduce my number of breeders and breeding projects and simply do taxidermy, which I have been doing since 1974. Here is a picture of a reproduction cubna rock iguana that I molded, casted and painted for the World Taxidermy Championship in 2009 and received a first place in the Professional Division.

**** Bottom line on all the arguing is that at the end of the day you still have your opinion and they still have theirs...so why bother?****

Cheers,

Kerby...

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Most of what has happened is *not* simply trolling; it is topical and germaine to the boards, and personal insults are not rampant, so in many cases it isn't by it's nature inflammatory. It's just taken that way by the 2 of them

I like Dmong and Bluerosy but for some reason they do not get along...and their advice is not that different? I don't get it.

Would you rather go back to people getting perma-banned at the drop of a hat? I would not.
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
1.3 African House Snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
1 corn snake
4.3 Florida Kings
2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
1 Argentine boa
1 Texas Rat Snake
1 checkered garter snake

I was just simply stating the extremes that have ocuured.

Take it however you wish, I do not wish to argue in the least.

Later,

Kerby...
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Very Nice Job indeed!!!!
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Jimmy Tintle

Good post. I think it is a combination of huge egos, and like Ranier said, it's easier to go off on people over the internet.
Hang in there and take any opinions with a grain of salt. So to speak.
www.4lakessnakes.com

Thanks for the advice! You have a really nice collection there!
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Jimmy Tintle

all your knowledge you have given....and I hope no matter how you incubate your eggs you see smokin' sweet hatchlings this year!
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Jimmy Tintle

Until just now a hadn't bothered to read the post you were referring to... still haven't and won't read it all as it's one of those posts that is very predictable in what will be said and who will say it...

It is great to see that the OP of the thread you allude to has a great deal of common sense, is not entirely put off by the bickering and is quite capable of taking care of himself or herself... looking forward to hearing how things work out for Dj... not to mention pics of just what constitutes "a less common design"

Gerry

a few more threads

looking forward to hearing how things work out for Dj... not to mention pics of just what constitutes "a less common design"

It is a smokin Cal King at that!!!!
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Jimmy Tintle

I agree with your post, Jimmy. This forum should be about having fun and sharing good information, with little or no negative crap like the stuff that some people post. When I read any post, as soon as I see anything negative or egotistic I click out of there at light speed. Life is too short to waste time paying attention to bungholes. Good luck with your snakes and simply enjoy!

Tom C.

Calling people bungholes doesn't exactly qualify as a positive comment, lol!
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

LOL and ouch! You got me fair and square, Jorge. Thanks for the "adjustment."

Instead of bungholes, what about calling them "spoilers" because they simply ruin the fun?

Tom

P.S. Below is a female 2010 aberrant msp thayeri I produced -- well, actually, the snake's parents actually deserve most of the credit! I like her head pattern -- almost like abstract art!

Tom, great looker you have there! Thanks for sharing!
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Jimmy Tintle

Hey Tom, if you sell me a snake that looks like that one, you can call me anything you want! That thing is gorgeous!
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

>>Hey Tom, if you sell me a snake that looks like that one, you can call me anything you want! That thing is gorgeous!

I agree....Killer.....
Not many aberrant MSPs out there.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

That is simply an outstanding thayeri!!...wow!

congrats on that one!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

yeah well since ive been on this forum since 2000 i will say there is some true PASSION for kings here, and yeah it can get heated, and yeah that can be a drag but you have to understand there have been serious past confrontations here were folks business,family, and honesty is has been blatantly attacked by the almighty toughguy internet keyboard warriors here and that have no actual backbone in the flesh but are AHNULD on the internet truly sad, but does make it fun when meeting them! its then you realize how pathetic "it" really is. like schofield used to say... put on your sensetive pants some need that sensetivity i guess??? i dont understand it but the bottom line is passion is good IMHO.
very good!!! and we need more of it!
when asking for advise delivery shouldnt concern folks content what you get from it is what matters folks like Rainer, FR posts make a person think thats a good thing if it hurts them then awww how sad that they stop the info from being recieved because of feelings, ive had teachers chew me up and spit me out. is it personal NO !!! wax on wax off grasshopper paint the fence.

i do want to address this in your comment jimmy... Some parents feel that all natural butter is better than margarine, even scientists don't know!...

sorry but thats some serious BS margarine was actully made by the plastics industry there is NOTHING natural about margarine. try this test if you dont believe me take spoonful or bowl whatever of margarine and put it outside and watch what happens... absolutely NOTHING happens to it bugs avoid it molds avoid it now something that doesnt break down in nature is something i will refuse to put in me or my familys body so, do i really need someone to tell me that something that doesnt break down naturally is ok to ingest?!?!...
now do the same test with butter...
(disclaimer)sorry but im also very passionate about it and not attacking you.
,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

Thanks Thomas for the comment. I understand passion as being a driving force and can get discussions between family and friends get very heated. That's not what I'm saying, If the discussion gets heated and turns to personal vendetta's than fine take to another forum or email. Duke it out, I don't care but these vindictive discussions that start under newbe's questions bothers me...Not personally...Just for the overall Forum and Hobby...If the previous poster wasn't the way he his, that discussion would probably of ran him off...Do you agree?

I am not saying I have not been chewed up and spit out, because I have and it had to be done and I have done the same....But not the first post...Just bad judgement....IMHO

Now, You came to the conclusion on the butter issue when? 5yrs ago 10 maybe even 20.....But when Parkay first hit the market it was perceived as a better product...Now if you didn't fall for their tactics or pressure, congrats! But most did. I choose real butter and have chose real butter because 1. my parents and grandparents did and 2. when I got older I looked into how it was made...Your right it's pretty much one step away from plastic...

Hey, most people don't even know that the Federal Reserve Bank is a private bank ran by private people, and the profit goes to those private people, not the government...So sometimes we have to be a little considerate on the new guys, and if they continue to ask the same question over and over, then you can have them for lunch....

One more time, I agree that this hobby thrives off of the passion of others and that passion will make it last a very long time. But hatred, and oneway streets will drive it into the ground. One last thing, Thanks for not chewing me up and spitting me out! LOL
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Jimmy Tintle

sorry but thats some serious BS margarine was actully made by the plastics industry there is NOTHING natural about margarine. try this test if you dont believe me take spoonful or bowl whatever of margarine and put it outside and watch what happens... absolutely NOTHING happens to it bugs avoid it molds avoid it now something that doesnt break down in nature is something i will refuse to put in me or my familys body so, do i really need someone to tell me that something that doesnt break down naturally is ok to ingest?!?!...
now do the same test with butter...
Totally agree!
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

I guess I missed the latest thread that initiated this one. Hmmmm...it is a lot of work to click on extended long convoluted threads so either it got deleted or it's still up but I lack the energy to click on the endless links...I wish the format was such that you could see all the posts at once, or at least a whole page at a time, instead of clicking over and over to see every little thing.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Don't worry Bob nothing interesting on snakes in the posts I just wanted to post my feelings and thoughts of how I was treated by some as a new be and the DjFizz debacle...I agree the format could be a little easier...I just click on "show entire thread" at the bottom of the original post and go from there.

Hey any eggs yet?
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Jimmy Tintle

No eggs yet. I sanitized my incubator and am going to calibrate it tomorrow after I get some distilled water for my hatching mix. The water I have comes out of a 420 ft well and is probably just fine (did the lizards and crickets fine) but I am on tenterhooks on this snake egg project and want to have things as clean and perfect as I can manage. Sort of comical, as snakes in the wild just go lay their eggs in the dirt!
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

yeah the formatting spreads like a tree with many branches, and it's crazy trying to read everything in proper order.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

You're telling me! Quite often I post to the wrong post in a thread. It is fun to go off in tangents, though. Pretty soon one has a tree with apples, oranges and avocados! LOL!
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com