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Let's take the thread below concerning the most one has paid on a single colubrid to another level.....

What KINGSNAKE and morph on the market today will bring you the most money? Why?

In another words.....If I wanted to purchase the most expensive kingsnake what would it be at this time?
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

a florida kingsnake homozygous for the T albino, WS, Axanthic. Just a WAG.
or a peanutbutter/whiteside/axanthic/hypo homozygous.

sure isn't the white sided specks, those fell like a rock O.O I may actually get a male WS now to mate to the possible het white sided females (or do they call them whitewalls, I forget).
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
1.3 African House Snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
1 corn snake
4.3 Florida Kings
2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
1 Argentine boa
1 Texas Rat Snake
1 checkered garter snake

>>a florida kingsnake homozygous for the T albino, WS, Axanthic. Just a WAG.
>>or a peanutbutter/whiteside/axanthic/hypo homozygous.
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>>sure isn't the white sided specks, those fell like a rock O.O I may actually get a male WS now to mate to the possible het white sided females (or do they call them whitewalls, I forget).

The White WALLED holbrooki was only $750 at its highest price......And not hybrids.....thus white walled and not white sided......LOL

And......has either of those Floridana you mentioned above been produced yet?

If you want to talk about morphs not yet produced and their prices.....I think there will be higher prices on other kings than Floridana......Alterna come to mind as well as Pyros, Knobs, Ruthveni and Zonata........imho!
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

>>>>a florida kingsnake homozygous for the T albino, WS, Axanthic. Just a WAG.
>>>>or a peanutbutter/whiteside/axanthic/hypo homozygous.
>>And......has either of those Floridana you mentioned above been produced yet?
>>I am fairly sure Rainer has animals that are at least het for those conditions. I don't know if there's anything homozgyous for all them together yet. But each morph listed is actually present, even if it hasn't been combined. Of course we know WS axanthics are common, and so I think it's probably in the realm of possibility that this season or next someone will have a T /WS/Axanthic.

Didnt' know the holbrooki started out that low. Seems like colubrids don't (mostly) demand as high a price as boids which is kind of weird but w/e, easier for me to buy them. But even last year they were 100 or so weren't they? Now LLL has them for 50.
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
1.3 African House Snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
1 corn snake
4.3 Florida Kings
2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
1 Argentine boa
1 Texas Rat Snake
1 checkered garter snake

Yep...that sux....
They are still one of the BEST looking king morphs on the market....I guess Supply and Demand kinda took them over......

I wonder what a Lavender WhiteWall or a Yellow Amel WhiteWall will go for?
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Produce it yourself and decide what it's valued at.
I don't think there's too many kings that are going to make somebody too much money... I recently invested in some more california kingsnakes, het for a couple traits, who knows what will come from them.
It's too bad when prices drop... Usually only the person who first started the line makes money from it.
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles
www.kingpinreptiles.com

>>Produce it yourself and decide what it's valued at.
>>I don't think there's too many kings that are going to make somebody too much money... I recently invested in some more california kingsnakes, het for a couple traits, who knows what will come from them.
>>It's too bad when prices drop... Usually only the person who first started the line makes money from it.

Mike.....It's (holbrooki) in the works man....Along with some other things no one else really has........LOL

And...I learned a long time ago...you will NEVER get rich off of something that someone else has already.......NEVER!

But...I am not in it to get rich...I have a damn good paying job......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

You may not get rich but you don't always lose your house either do you? I mean, there's a lot of levels of success.
Mostly I want to produce some specks cause they're pretty, and they're not exactly expensive to maintain either. An amel WS may sell for decent cash but I'd be surprised if they were worth 100 by the time I produced them if I buy young that exhibit each trait this year to raise up.
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
1.3 African House Snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
1 corn snake
4.3 Florida Kings
2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
1 Argentine boa
1 Texas Rat Snake
1 checkered garter snake

>>You may not get rich but you don't always lose your house either do you? I mean, there's a lot of levels of success.
>>Mostly I want to produce some specks cause they're pretty, and they're not exactly expensive to maintain either. An amel WS may sell for decent cash but I'd be surprised if they were worth 100 by the time I produced them if I buy young that exhibit each trait this year to raise up.

Yep....that's how it goes......

I saw a Bumble Bee Ball Python in Daytona in 2005 for $15K....
Now they are a couple hundred bucks.....But I don't want this thread to go down the BP path.....LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Then you're set John, lol.
Snakes are my hobby, I've probably spend 3 grand on my snake collection in the past year... Was it worth it? Who knows. I might make money from some projects in the future, I might not. I just like snakes though, they're interesting and each one is different.
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles
www.kingpinreptiles.com

>>Then you're set John, lol.
>>Snakes are my hobby, I've probably spend 3 grand on my snake collection in the past year... Was it worth it? Who knows. I might make money from some projects in the future, I might not. I just like snakes though, they're interesting and each one is different.

I do not believe "I am set" but I am having fun and that IS what counts........

And I agree with you 100% Mike......I just like snakes and being able to propagate them in my herp room.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Mike, by reading Will's post below on the other thread, makes me realize something...Some of these snakes will produce young for 10 plus yrs....I think you will make back your investment plus...Some years you will do better than others....No need for High dollar snakes, just stick with what you like...
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Jimmy Tintle

>>Mike, by reading Will's post below on the other thread, makes me realize something...Some of these snakes will produce young for 10 plus yrs....

I'm trying Shannon's 30 year old guy out this year......he successfully bred 3 years ago.........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I have a 16 yr old knob going this year...I hope he does the job there John, That boy has seen many of offspring in this hobby!!!
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Jimmy Tintle

Jimmy,
That's very true... If you consistently produce quality animals and do good business with people the same animals could make you money year after year. I have a pretty good gameplan for the next 4 years, but it's waaaay too soon to reveal anything, lol.

At this point my only main worry with making money from snakes is that they don't put more of a ban on selling them. Some state laws are crazy, and who knows what the future holds for the reptile business.
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles
www.kingpinreptiles.com

At this point my only main worry with making money from snakes is that they don't put more of a ban on selling them. Some state laws are crazy, and who knows what the future holds for the reptile business.

Mike, that is a great point and deserves a thread by itself.

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Jimmy Tintle

I don't know but I plan to buy a pair if the wife approves; WW male and albino female (to mate the male to my PH females that I have). They're both *really* pretty morphs; I finally saw an albino speckled in person and it was fairly stunning. Granted the local crap pet shop wanted 300 for it...which is stupid high...but man it was pretty.
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
1.3 African House Snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
1 corn snake
4.3 Florida Kings
2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
1 Argentine boa
1 Texas Rat Snake
1 checkered garter snake

>>I don't know but I plan to buy a pair if the wife approves; WW male and albino female (to mate the male to my PH females that I have). They're both *really* pretty morphs; I finally saw an albino speckled in person and it was fairly stunning. Granted the local crap pet shop wanted 300 for it...which is stupid high...but man it was pretty.

That means they got it for $150.....Pet stores usually have 100% mark up......

I have about 7 albino speckled kings (babies from the yellow amel).....and 1 Yellow Amel Speckled king........A pair of 100% Double het for Lavender and WhiteWall Specks and Some WhiteWalls, Het for WhiteWalls and A lavender.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

This one charges 150 for a normal ball python juvy (like 100 grams). I'm surprised they stay in business, but they're the least awful one around so I buy supplies there in a pinch.
At least they don't have dead animals in cages and a frigging crocodile monitor in a wire mesh cage with one small bulb like the other shop in town. Seriously, they had to have paid good money for that monitor and they have it in a cage that's not nearly big enough, has nearly no heat and humidity? WTF? don't you research before dropping hundreds and hundreds of dollars on an animal? Even if you're an amoral scumbag don't you at least care about the investment?

/end rant
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
1.3 African House Snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
1 corn snake
4.3 Florida Kings
2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
1 Argentine boa
1 Texas Rat Snake
1 checkered garter snake

that really kick-A&& amel you have? *drool* that thing is a screamer and i'm sure her babies are gorgeous!
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
1.3 African House Snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
1 corn snake
4.3 Florida Kings
2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
1 Argentine boa
1 Texas Rat Snake
1 checkered garter snake

>>that really kick-A&& amel you have? *drool* that thing is a screamer and i'm sure her babies are gorgeous!

Yep....I got 9 Amels and 1 Het....
A budy of mine has 2 amels and the het....I have the 7 amels....Going to raise them up and see if any turn yellow.....If not I will breed them together and see if any of their babies turn yellow......Gotta prove out the gene, then mix it with the WhiteWall gene eventually.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Albescents (T Neg Ghosts) are selling for thousands as well as Pewters and PB Snows (007 Triple Homozygous)...

Jeremy Thompson
Captive Born Investments Inc.

I think Barnum had something to say about this....
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

>>Albescents (T Neg Ghosts) are selling for thousands as well as Pewters and PB Snows (007 Triple Homozygous)...

They are?
How many have sold for thousandS?
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I paid A LOT for my Pewter Female FL... and Rainer just hatched a JELLY GHOST (t neg, pb, hypo, axan QUAD HOMOZ) and its a Male so I would have to say that would bring the most for a king for sure. Its genetically the most powerhouse king to date.

Jeremy Thompson
Captive Born Investments Inc.

>>I paid A LOT for my Pewter Female FL... and Rainer just hatched a JELLY GHOST (t neg, pb, hypo, axan QUAD HOMOZ) and its a Male so I would have to say that would bring the most for a king for sure. Its genetically the most powerhouse king to date.

The most powerhouse FLORIDANA to date.......

There are other kings out there........some will fetch the same or more money....

I do think Floridana are great, hardy, simple snakes to keep and breed and many folks want them for those said reasons........

I may even get some multi hets and have fun with them again....LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I think they are gorgeous, majestic, and with all the new morphs and strains they are a lot of fun to work with! I would still keep them if they were 5 bucks, but I don't think I'd pay thousands for one. Well I wouldn't pay thousands for any snake really, lol. 300.00 is the most I've paid for a single snake so far.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

Bob's High Black Pyro $25.00

John's Hypo-E agalma $1500.00

Rainer's The Flaming New England axanthic peanut butter and jelly white sided hypomelanistic florida kingsnake PRICELESS

Sorry guys couldn't help myself
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Jimmy Tintle

>>Bob's High Black Pyro $25.00
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>>John's Hypo-E agalma $1500.00
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>>Rainer's The Flaming New England axanthic peanut butter and jelly white sided hypomelanistic florida kingsnake PRICELESS
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>>Sorry guys couldn't help myself

Just for clarity that was $1500 for two animals.....LOL

I wonder what a whitesided Phantom Floridana will cost?
Or a whitesided Pewter Floridana?

I don't think they will look much different than the other look alike white sided Floridana......Or should I even call them Floridana....J/K........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I just like WS mixed into hypo and albino Pretty!
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
1.3 African House Snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
1 corn snake
4.3 Florida Kings
2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
1 Argentine boa
1 Texas Rat Snake
1 checkered garter snake

>>I just like WS mixed into hypo and albino Pretty!

A WS albino?
Or a WS T-positive?

A white sided amel would look all white almost......

It seems all the snake morphs folks are working with eventually produce a little pink/white snake........with no color at all....LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

T /WS. I don't know about the T- and WS. NOt sure how well that'd mix.
I kind of like pinkish on the snakes. And I figure an albino ws would have some nice yellow highlights as an adult. I don't really dig pure white snakes at all, but for some reason the white sided morphs (with color and pattern on the top) really appeal to me. Idiosyncratic I guess. But pure white snakes are boring to me.
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
1.3 African House Snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
1 corn snake
4.3 Florida Kings
2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
1 Argentine boa
1 Texas Rat Snake
1 checkered garter snake

>>T /WS. I don't know about the T- and WS. NOt sure how well that'd mix.
>>I kind of like pinkish on the snakes. And I figure an albino ws would have some nice yellow highlights as an adult. I don't really dig pure white snakes at all, but for some reason the white sided morphs (with color and pattern on the top) really appeal to me. Idiosyncratic I guess. But pure white snakes are boring to me.
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>>We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
>>1.3 African House Snakes
>>3.2 reticulated pythons
>>1 corn snake
>>4.3 Florida Kings
>>2 speckled kings
>>1.2 ball pythons
>>1 Argentine boa
>>1 Texas Rat Snake
>>1 checkered garter snake
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

John that is a tough one, for what is being produced I would have to say for kingsnakes only, Right now, the market tends to lean towards FL kings....Only because of the multiple morphs available...

I think, your response up above kinda somes up the future. I don't know if there is an Applegate hypo-e pyro yet but I am sure that would fetch a few dollars. It is really a tough call, I can't think of a stand out above all the rest...
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Jimmy Tintle

>>John that is a tough one, for what is being produced I would have to say for kingsnakes only, Right now, the market tends to lean towards FL kings....Only because of the multiple morphs available...
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>>I think, your response up above kinda somes up the future. I don't know if there is an Applegate hypo-e pyro yet but I am sure that would fetch a few dollars. It is really a tough call, I can't think of a stand out above all the rest...
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>>Jimmy Tintle

Yep...I was leaning towards Pyros - Sentz Line Hypo, Hypo-E Double Homozygot and an Applegate, Hypo-E Double Homozygot....

But what about the Leucistic Alterna......They are more than any Florida King right now......'

Then the elusive Super Striped Amel Ruthveni.......in the near future

Or the Black, Striped, Hypo-E Mex Mex...a few generations to a decade away....I hope...LOL

What about a striped Candy Cane Knoblochi?
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Throw the striped and the aberrant pyro genes into the mix too....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

The Leucistic alterna, I just don't see a demand for them, another all white snake that doesn't feed regularly on pinks....Personal choice I guess...

I think those Mex Mex you are working with will be a good one in a few years....

I think you have a good point with the amel super striped ruthveni, but those have been tainted..LOL People are staying away from them due to the fact that that gene is unpredictable and not simple recessive....Then add in the fact of Hybrids and L.ruthveni.....It'll be a tough sell but good marketing could turn those around.

I think the pyros, will hold value, and there is plenty of morphs to go around. 3 plus years to breed,and small clutches, good recipe for profitablity and higher dollar...

Striped Candy Cane- that may be a good one to, but then again it's only 2 simple recessive genes(maybe, I know one for sure, the other could wind up like the striped gene in L.ruthveni and be unpredictable)

I think there will be a push for Graybands again, a lot of locality and then you add in Hypo,anery,aberrants, I think hypo-e, wide banded,black on black, and then of course your regular Blairs and Alterna....

Just my thoughts
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Jimmy Tintle

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>>I think there will be a push for Graybands again, a lot of locality and then you add in Hypo,anery,aberrants, I think hypo-e, wide banded,black on black, and then of course your regular Blairs and Alterna....

You forgot ghost alterna......and yes there are hypo-e alterna......totally speckled alterna..........long nuchal stripe alterna....etc.....lol

And that statement about unpredictability in the striped ruthveni gene will lower it's value is just a few people's opinion..............

Btw.....the granite gene in Mex Mex is unpredictable......I think there is a rarity value with them and the ruthies........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I wasn't implying that it would lower the price, I was just stating that it couldn't fetch a higher price due to the fact of the unpredictability......if that's understandable
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Jimmy Tintle

>>I wasn't implying that it would lower the price, I was just stating that it couldn't fetch a higher price due to the fact of the unpredictability......if that's understandable
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I understand what you are saying but I still think their is a rarity factor that can fetch higher prices for them........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

the hell with locality greybands; I want regular, non locality ones with lots of orange and light gray. Everyone seems to breed locality animals but no one seems to pay attention to straight up aesthetics. Maybe that makes me bad to care more about that but whatever.
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
1.3 African House Snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
1 corn snake
4.3 Florida Kings
2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
1 Argentine boa
1 Texas Rat Snake
1 checkered garter snake

>>the hell with locality greybands; I want regular, non locality ones with lots of orange and light gray. Everyone seems to breed locality animals but no one seems to pay attention to straight up aesthetics. Maybe that makes me bad to care more about that but whatever.
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You haven't seen many locality alterna then because there are bright, wide orange banded gray bands that have light gray ground color......

Check out Dan Johnson's old Black Gaps on his site.........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I love Dan's Site...Thanking Him for keeping all that up for future keepers to enjoy....
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Jimmy Tintle

No, I haven't seen many. I'm just going by what I've seen in the classifieds lately. What I'd *want* would be like the one they have in the section for the photo. But most of them posted up are sort of meh looking (to me, I konw different strokes and all that). It's moot anyhow, I need tokeep my focus on the species I already have for now. Discipline Paul, discipline!
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
1.3 African House Snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
1 corn snake
4.3 Florida Kings
2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
1 Argentine boa
1 Texas Rat Snake
1 checkered garter snake

>>No, I haven't seen many. I'm just going by what I've seen in the classifieds lately. What I'd *want* would be like the one they have in the section for the photo. But most of them posted up are sort of meh looking (to me, I konw different strokes and all that). It's moot anyhow, I need tokeep my focus on the species I already have for now. Discipline Paul, discipline!

Then Check out Dan Johnson's old site....LOL

I like the blairs phase alterna with black ground color and bright orange bands the most......Black Gap & Christmas Mt. locales......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

What I wonder is...........
Where's those pros (Doug and Rainer) to come out and tell us the real answer.......J/K......LMAO!!!!!!
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Remember John, they surrendered their rifles and are having a beer.
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Jimmy Tintle

>>Remember John, they surrendered their rifles and are having a beer.

They better not have started in Daytona without me/us......
They should have a good drunk on by August.....LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

What I wonder is...........
Where's those pros (Doug and Rainer) to come out and tell us the real answer.......J/K......LMAO!!!!!!

we decided to start a new company together. So anyone that wants advices or to hear our banter there will be a charge.

We take Visa and mastercard and PAYPAL.

Money orders are to be made out to charity fund for single kept snakes.
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www.Bluerosy.com

Surprised no one has mentioned any of the local specific kings. If they are really rare (or not found in that location anymore at all) they can be pretty pricey. Especially mountain kings. I have seen a few advertised as high as $1700 per pair. I can't say I follow the florida morph market, so I don't know how that compares.

Not necessarily the most expensive, but I think a full striped Red Milk would be awesome! Maybe a even a striped Hondo? In my opinion, that is.

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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

Not a king....LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

>>Not a king....LOL
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>>John Lassiter

See if I comment on your threads again! j/k
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

>>See if I comment on your threads again! j/k

Read the Original post........I did try to specify KINGSNAKE............LOL............
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Jorge, That's a Beauty!!! I need a pair of those!!! Get those up to size so I can get a pair.....
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Jimmy Tintle

The female is a garbage disposal, but the male sometimes skips meals. I am still hoping for a late clutch this year.

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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

It is amazing that most of us think that the most expensive king that is in the market or is going to hit the market is something that individual is working with or a future morph of the species or subspecies....LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...