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Once in awhile you see a project of interest and they just disappear. I was wondering what happened with the derma ball,the burgandy albino ball,and the paragon ball.Anyone have any updates?
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Kevin Harrison
Too many pythons and boas to count

Last I heard, the Paragon died......was old when imported......if I remember correctly.

Jason
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jason.trott78@yahoo.com

the derma ball was bred to some normals many years ago, all offspring were normal in appearance, so if genetic it appeared to be recessive. Unfortunately the owner of the animal had some personal problems and the offspring may or may not have been sold and he dissapeared with the derma for years. I personally think that he proved it not to be genetic breeding it back to its daughters. Unfortunately I think he would have said he did not just to keep the project in some value to somebody but the fact that there has never been any in the market place really screams to me that it was not reproducable.
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Evan Stahl Reptiles
www.evanstahl.com

AND we should have seen more of them in Africa also if it were reproducable since then there must me a "colony" or group of hets in an isolated location, like pieds.
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Evan Stahl Reptiles
www.evanstahl.com

Eugene Bessette has a purple haze scaless ball....would have been time to breed it and prove it also...
yet there is scaless ratsnakes, rattlers, scaless birds of a few types ,including chickens...(scale -feather ,same thing...)
a few other snakes species proved genetic ...I forget which...

...sucks...Derma was cool...had an odd feel to it...(yes I held it).....and no , I haven't seen the guy again....

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........JY

Burgandy Albino is alive and well. Should have finished this ages ago, but Blood pythons and Boas distracted me! I have the original female, 1.2 Spot-nose hets 2008, 1.1 hets 2008, 0.1 Mojave het 2009. I actually just put the male spot-nose het in with the mom so hopefully at some point between now and the fall we may see something. Won't really kno what this is until the baby hatches out-could be an Ultramel, could be a Candy, could be its own thing..............but I'm pretty sure it is something!

Can we get a pic?

The paragon ball is also aften thought to be another line of. Toffee ball. But if the paragon died I suppose there will never be a way to provre that . But the toffee has proved recessive and hudson vally herps has hets available for sale as I type quite pricey! To say thre least. I think candys toffees bannanas and even carmirillos all look the same but basnnNas get muddied out with age!

Was Black Lace the name of your more recent axanthic project? I've been looking forward to seeing some of those eventually. Is that project still going?

I thought they were het reds but from a different line.
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"What is man without the beasts?
If all the beasts were gone,
men would die from great loneliness of spirit.
For what happens to the beasts,
soon happens to men.
All things are connected."

-Chief Seattle (Duwamish Tribe)

I also thought Black Lace was another name for a different line of Het Reds...
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Sed et serpens erat callidior cunctis animantibus terrae quae fecerat Dominus Deus...

Black Lace is Dan Wolffe's project!

Randy as someone else has already posted the Black Lace project belongs to Dan Wolfe and is alive and well. He produced some Black Lace Mystics last year. He has some pics on his website.
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Louis Kirkland
Cornerstone Reptiles

Sorry, I must have the name wrong. The morph I'm thinking of was some group of new imported axanthics that VPI was working with a few years back but I can't seem to find pictures on their website. Maybe the name was just “black axanthic”? It was thought that they might be a small line of ball pythons.

Here's a link to some pics and info on Justin Kobylka's website.

Black Axanthic
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Louis Kirkland
Cornerstone Reptiles

The derma ball was offered for sale to Bob Clark (my boss) a year or so ago. If I remember right, a deal was in process and it died for whatever reason. I'll ask him but I think that's what happened.

I was wondering what your connection to Bob might have been. A while back you posted something and then replied later sounding like it was from you but the post said Bob Clark. Maybe you use the same computer at work?
Mike

lol... Yeah I forgot to log him out and me in at lunch. No one said anything at the time so I didn't bother explaining it.

Yeah, most know me but... I'm the "manager" at Clark Inc. Doing something I love doing for 4 going on 5 years.

-Jeff Byers

At first I thought maybe he was sneaking around behind an alias. Tell him hi for me.
Mike