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EmberBall May 01, 2011 06:00 PM

I got four eggs from a Dinker x Dinker. I have posted a pic of the male before, but here he is again. I do not have any pics of the female, but she looks very similar to the male. I got the male in Los Angeles, and the female in Vegas.

Unfortunatly, three of the four eggs went bad. They were not fertile. When the fourth egg went past day 60/61, I decided to cut it in case there was an issue with the baby. I just slit the egg, hoping it would come out on its own. It did not, so on day 64 or so, I cut the egg completly. I saw a large portion of the yolk and the umbilicle cord looked very thick. I took it down to a buddy of mine, Kyle @ The Reptile Shop in Temecula, CA, to see what his thoughts were. We performed a minor surgery on the snake (he did, I just held the snake) using dental floss to cut the yolk away. We had let the snake sit overnight, and it did absorb some of the yolk, and the remaining yolk was a gooy mess. Over the next few days,the umbilicle cord dried up some, and was cut off and some fell off on its own. I checked on the snake today, and the umbilicle hole has almost completely closed up and healed. The snake looks a bit preamie, but looks way better now. I was concerned early on, with the lack of tongue flicking, but now, the snake seems to be flicking away and I could not be happier. There were no Hypo or Caramel genes that I know of, in the breeding. You can click on the Image link for a full body shot.
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Replies (11)

EmberBall May 01, 2011 06:01 PM

This is the male that sired the clutch, and the father of the baby in this thread.

Dave
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Bolitochrome May 01, 2011 06:10 PM

Kudos to putting in the extra effort of saving him. I know he might also be a snake that represents a lot of investment, but a less caring breeder would have put the little guy in the freezer. I hope he holds out for you. Dental floss stitches, eh? Going to have to remember that one. I hope he heals up well, proves out for you, and that his condition isn't genetic. After all, one bad clutch could have easily been a fluke.
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Lincoln, NE
Ball Pythons - 0.1 Pastel, 1.0 Pastel het Pied, 0.1 Pied, 0.1 Cinn, 1.0 Black Pewter, 1.0 Woma (hidden gene?), 0.1 Yellowbelly
2.1 Normals
Kingsnakes - 1.0 L. m. thayeri, 0.1 L. m. thayeri X L. alterna, 1.0 L. g. californiae
Other - 0.1 Whitesided P. catenifer sayi, 1.0 H. nascicus, ?.? Chrysemys picta, 0.1 crazy cat, 1.0 husband

EmberBall May 01, 2011 06:18 PM

Not dental floss stiches, my bad for not explaining what we did. We, OK, Kyle took the dental floss and wrapped it around the umbilicle cord mass about an inch or so away from the snakes body, and pulled the two ends, which cut the umbilicle cord. The actual opening into the snakes body has pretty much healed nicely on its own. I need to get a few post op pics

Dave

boaman1 May 01, 2011 06:30 PM

Baby looks like a ghost to me!

tessadasexotics May 01, 2011 08:23 PM

We had the same type of stuff in our first clutch. All of our eggs were good but we did have one that was as bad as yours and 2 others not near as bad. We actually just pushed what was left back inside the snake and they closed up on there own. The other we put in a measuring cup (similated egg) inside of a wet paper towel. He absorbed the rest of the yolk sack in 2 days and was fine after that.

EmberBall May 01, 2011 08:47 PM

These two pics were taken at Kyle's shop. The lighting was horrible, I will take some better pics soon. You can see the ubilicle cord hole has closed up and a body shot. One pic is in the Image link.

Dave
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Matt97bps May 01, 2011 09:20 PM

Looks like an orange ghost. You should breed it to a normal and see about proving it.

EmberBall May 01, 2011 09:27 PM

I do not breed anything to a normal

My thoughts on the coloring:

It could be that both father and mother just happened to be both Het Hypo.
It could be a Super form of the adult pair, with coloring that looks like a Hypo or Caramel.
It could be a Super form and just looks like a Hypo because it was a preamie baby.
It could be a combo of the mother and father if they are not the same morph, assuming they are genetic.
It could be a new Hypo line that spontaneously appeared.
It could be it looks Hypo now, and we shall wait and see what it looks like once it sheds.

The adult female is well on her way to recoving nicely, she is eating all the medium rats I give her. I will try the pair next year, and I will be interested to see how the baby looks after she sheds.

JYohe May 03, 2011 06:22 PM

not colored due to early or smallness...

looks ghost I think also....

but...

I never hatched caramels...straight out of egg they may look like that????

...the dinker is odd...hopefully it has something to do with that ....

good luck....line breed....!
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........JY

Paige69 May 01, 2011 11:15 PM

Nice!
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Balls - 4 Boys, 19 Girls - 8 babies (4 spiders and 4 normals not out of the egg yet)
other various reptiles, animals, kids and a smoking sweet husband; would be perfect if he only liked ball pythons...

leo_boy May 02, 2011 12:30 AM

Nice snake buddy; I don't think the condition is genetic, just one of those things that happens every now and then. Take a look at Ralph Davis' video "guts" on youtube.

He had the same issue and just pushed everything back in and stiched it. The Scar is nicer, just a line. If I were you I would avoid feeding large meals because that scar wont stretch to fit.

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