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Don't hurt me..

iaherper May 04, 2011 12:49 AM

This may be a very old or stupid question...Are Kahl albino compatable with Type 2 anerys?...

I just bred an Albino 66%het T2 X T2 66% het albino.My result was 7 normal appearing babies. Ok...I know I may have struck out and neither was a het. Or could they be hets just not compatable?..Are the babies all het albino AND het Type2?

Thanks, Terry

Replies (11)

amiemac9 May 04, 2011 05:59 AM

Maybe the albino isn't a Type II het, and the Type II isn't an albino het.

Or maybe you struck out on the odds.

Amie

amiemac9 May 04, 2011 06:01 AM

Regardless, they should all be dh type II and Albino.

Amie

Jonathan_Brady May 04, 2011 06:08 AM

More often than not you see successes from PH's on this and other forums for two reasons:

1) Most of the animals are 66% or at a minimum, 50% PH which means that the majority of the time - the odds work out.

2) People don't often post when they miss on the odds which makes the successes seem disproportionately represented.

As Amie said, you could have just had really bad odds, but it's also equally likely (or perhaps more likely) that the "PH" part just didn't work out.

Sorry to hear you invested several years into this project to have it not work out like you had hoped. Unfortunately, that's the reality of going with PH's. PH's can be a great, inexpensive way to get into a project, but unfortunately it can also leave you highly disappointed and you have to be prepared for that outcome going in.

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patoquack May 04, 2011 07:53 AM

I agree with Amie 100% - you at least know that you have now have DH typy II anery and albino which might make you feel that you are closer to the goal of your project. Also, you were successful in producing a litter. time well spent!

congrats!!

Patrick

LarM May 04, 2011 09:05 AM

Ultimately the Kahl Alb/Type II Anery pairing is not a compatible pairing to produce a double Homozygous Boas.
(Blizzard Boa as it was prematurely named)

There will never be a Double Homozygous Albino(Kahl) Anery Type II Boa.

I'm telling you this as a "FYI" so you don't continue to pursue something that cannot happen
resulting in further and continued disappointment.

If you like the idea of making Kahl het Type II just because . . .
well that's another story.

Sounds like you got healthy babies out of this litter so congratulations for that!

Healthy babies are always a success and fun to have !

. . . Lar M
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perfectpredators May 04, 2011 10:25 AM

how about sharp & Type 2?

socal-619 May 04, 2011 10:56 AM

Good question, I've wondered the same thing in the past, most recently with the RDR boas. By the way does anyone know what, if any, difference there is between the rdr and a regular type 2 anery?

LarM May 04, 2011 01:02 PM

That's the one to try !

. . . Lar M
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DeHart May 04, 2011 01:57 PM

The above reply is true assuming all strains of "type-2" occur on the same locus of DNA. If my het Kahl poss double het pewters produce only the other permutations and no "bloody blizzards" in the future I'll not have a problem with it. I'd breed the double hets into another project/mutation or two....squaretail ghosts and sunglow square tails in the same litter would be nice, for instance!

Jonathan_Brady May 04, 2011 03:19 PM

>>Ultimately the Kahl Alb/Type II Anery pairing is not a compatible pairing to produce a double Homozygous Boas.
>>(Blizzard Boa as it was prematurely named)
>>
>>There will never be a Double Homozygous Albino(Kahl) Anery Type II Boa.
>>
>>I'm telling you this as a "FYI" so you don't continue to pursue something that cannot happen
>>resulting in further and continued disappointment.
>>
>>If you like the idea of making Kahl het Type II just because . . .
>>well that's another story.
>>
>>Sounds like you got healthy babies out of this litter so congratulations for that!
>>
>>Healthy babies are always a success and fun to have !
>>
>>
>>
>> . . . Lar M
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>>Boas By Klevitz
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>>I Support USark.org
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What's written above is purely my opinion. In fact, MOST of what you read on the internet is someone's opinion. Don't take it too seriously

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garweft May 04, 2011 09:23 PM

The same problem has come up in leopard geckos where an albino strain and a different mutation were presumably found on the same chromosome. The double mutation was not able to be created with the standard 1 in 16 odds, but after a few thousand offspring one was luckily hit.

Chromosomes undergo a process called crossover where pieces of a chromosome switch places with homologous chromosomes. This process has a few benefits but one of which is the mixing of genetic data to prevent problems with genetic linking.

The chances of hitting the combo will depend a lot on the genetic distance between the two alleles, the actual distance between the two alleles. the closer they are the harder the combo will be to hit.

If this is the case the good news is once the combo is hit the resulting snow will produce double hets that should produce snows with 1 in 4 odds due to the traits being linked. But until then producing one will be a matter of luck and hitting the random chance of a crossover event linking the two traits.

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