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some recent pics (kings and milks)

DMong May 05, 2011 03:00 PM

Smaller male OBX backing up the bigger aberrant/striped male

Male splendida

Female splendida

Amel nelsoni female(het for t-plus gene)

The t-plus sire of the above nelsoni(owned by Shannon Brown). This bizarre gene was accidentally produced by Christos Skliris of France in 2005. It does not seem to be a simple recessive trait either, but rather a form of co-dom that resides on the same allele as the amel gene does. More will be known about this gene's inheritence with future breedings.

"High-yellow" floridana breeding

same pair

a pair of their '09 offspring breeding

An interesting closeup of a vanished-pattern amel Hondo

a different even more vanished female Hondo

young extreme hypo breeding huge Falcon ghost female

A nice '09 hold-back female ghost from a Bailey ghost x Falcon ghost breeding

2006 amel female

another pic of the 2007 "high-yellow" male floridana

a pic of the big female

one of the pairs '09 female offspring

a very richly colored golden-bronze '09 male

male blanchardi

female blanchardi (nearing shed)

a normal phenotype tangerine Honduran het for hypo/amel, and poss. het anery(from "mega" hypo line)

vanished pinner hypo Hondo from Don Shores stock

male 2007 Falcon ghost(from extreme sire)

2009 female tricolor hypo


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Replies (34)

skincity702 May 05, 2011 03:25 PM

Every time I see some of your Hondos I drool. Nice looking snakes Doug!
-JT

DMong May 05, 2011 08:01 PM

Thanks JT, I really appreciate it!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Jlassiter May 05, 2011 04:27 PM

Killer snakes Doug....
I really like those T-positive Nelsoni.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

DMong May 05, 2011 08:05 PM

Thanks John!

I know man, those things are just insane..LOL!. I have some pics of them side by side to a normal, and the weird color difference is simply incredible!,...not to mention the cool deep ruby-ish/purple pupils they have too..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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JKruse May 05, 2011 05:30 PM

Amazing Doug E Fresh, as always....and those Floridas.......just wow.
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Jerry Kruse
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DMong May 05, 2011 08:06 PM

Thanks bud!..

~Doug
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Tony D May 06, 2011 01:00 PM

Those caught my eye too.
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Bluerosy May 05, 2011 06:06 PM

Nice looking snakes. All of them. But i really like the T plus nelsoni.

I wonder if the nelsons is anything like the PB and T neg related traits? What happens if you breed a T plus to a t neg? Anyone done that yet? What about breeding a T plus to T plus?
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DMong May 05, 2011 07:59 PM

Thanks Rainer,...

Well, I know Shannon has bred the t-plus nelsoni to a t-neg, and I believe he got about 50/50 ratio of each. I don't know if he has bred t-plus to t-plus though. I think it is possibly similar to the peanut butter gene you are talking about, but not a whole lot seems to be definitely known about it right now. This breeding year should prove more about it's inheritence though. It just hasn't been around very long.

All I really know(and Shannon too) is that it isn't inherited in the typical simple recessive fashion that most other colubrid traits are. It will be real fun to work with them and see how things pan out, that's for sure..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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POCooney May 05, 2011 06:22 PM

Whoa, Doug!!!!! Outstanding!!!!! Are the Pics of the Brooks and the Outerbanks recent???? If they are, I'd like to get a pair of each this season if they aren't already spoken for!!! They are just too Cool!!!

Pat G-C

DMong May 05, 2011 08:18 PM

Thanks for the kind words Pat!. I sent you a PM.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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DISCERN May 05, 2011 06:28 PM

All perfect specimens!!!!!!!!!!!

Those high-yellow brooks are my fave! The best I have ever seen in my life!!!!
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DMong May 05, 2011 08:20 PM

Thanks Billy!. yes, I gotta admit, they are pretty freakin colorful!..LOL!..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

a153fish May 05, 2011 06:42 PM

Wow talk about eye candy! I'll take two of each, lol!
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DMong May 05, 2011 08:22 PM

LMAO!!!, thanks bro!..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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bigtman May 05, 2011 07:19 PM

those High yellow are unbelievable.
They all look outstanding.
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Tom S
1.1 Flame Lampropeltis getla Floridana
1.0 Hypomelanistic Lampropeltis getula Floridana
0.1 Axanthic Lampropeltis getula Floridana
0.1 Hypomelanistic Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis
1.0 Anerythristic Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis

DMong May 05, 2011 08:23 PM

Thanks Tom!,..glad you like those too man..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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joecop May 05, 2011 07:35 PM

Very nice Doug. Top shelf animals you have there for sure. The brooks are insane! Love the OBX--(even though you made me go get some!) The offspring from the brooks are looking good. I remember seeing some photos from those last year I believe. At least the male. That splendida male looks a little thin. LOL. Sure that is the male and not a gravid female? Awesome stuff. HAhaha.

Joe

DMong May 05, 2011 08:28 PM

HAHAA!!,.thanks Joe!. Yeah, they keep getting better and better for sure.

Yeah, I know..LOL!, the sub-adult male splendida just ate before the pic was taken, but he sure wasn't starving to death before that either..LMAO!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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CrimsonKing May 05, 2011 07:40 PM

VERY nice, Doug!
:Mark
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DMong May 05, 2011 11:26 PM

Thanks a bunch Mark!..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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RossCA May 05, 2011 08:18 PM

Wow Doug, those are all very nice. I really like the outer banks and first high yellow FL kings. Shannons snake you posted there is very interesting. I wasn't expecting to see brown in that snake.

DMong May 05, 2011 08:33 PM

Thanks a bunch Ross!. Yeah, I just LOVE the awesome yellow of the huge male especially bro. And yeah, the weird "milk chocolate" look of the T-plus are just incredible for sure man!..Shannon's pic of "Mr. Goodbar" there blows me away every time I look at it..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

RossCA May 05, 2011 08:21 PM

Wow Doug, those are all very nice! I really like the Outer Banks and High yellow FL kingsnakes. Shannons snake is also very interesting. The brown is something I didn't expect to see in that snake.

DMong May 05, 2011 08:35 PM

Don't worry, I hate when the double post happens to me too..HAHAA!!..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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KcTrader May 05, 2011 08:59 PM

Very Nice Doug!!! I really like those Nelsoni,Blanchardi, and that tricolor hondo. Thanks for sharing!
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Jimmy Tintle

DMong May 05, 2011 09:40 PM

Thanks Jimmy!,....yeah, I know you are a milk guy too..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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KcTrader May 05, 2011 09:56 PM

Yes I am and hopefully will step back into some NA Milks this fall. I just can't seem to go to long without having them in the collection. Gotta love the little worms...
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Jimmy Tintle

DMong May 05, 2011 10:02 PM

Yeah, they are very cool for sure. Those N. American milks can take some real patience sometimes though.

Like I really need to tell YOU that,..right..LOL!..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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rtdunham May 05, 2011 09:13 PM

great pix, doug--and great snakes. you have an exceptional collection.

can you give me a little more history on the t-plus nelsoni? I'm particularly interested in the genders of parents & offspring.

DMong May 05, 2011 09:53 PM

Thanks for the kind words Terry!,......I'm not sure I understand what you are meaning with the question though?

If you are meaning the sex ratios and/or numbers of t-plus to amels, or normals within any given clutches of these, I really don't have a clue..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

rtdunham May 09, 2011 11:18 PM

>>......I'm not sure I understand what you are meaning with the question though? If you are meaning the sex ratios and/or numbers of t-plus to amels, or normals within any given clutches of these, I really don't have a clue..

Yes. Since you said the pattern of inheritance isn't known yet, I was wondering whether the genders of the offspring might give any clue to some sort of sex-linked trait. We decoded a situation like that with the "yellow bodied" or pastel gouldian finches, where the presence of a single gene produced one phenotype on males and a different phenotype on females; it took two of the morph genes to produce males with the same phenotype as the single-gene females. We didn't noodle it out until we'd produced enough young to be able to observe the relationship of genders & phenotypes.

denbar May 06, 2011 07:18 PM

Real nice Doug. Can look at them over and over again. Of course that Nelson is really special.

--Dennis

DMong May 06, 2011 07:28 PM

Thanks Dennis!,....yes, I certainly agree with you about the cool nelsoni gene as well..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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