Reptile & Amphibian Forums

Welcome to kingsnake.com's message board system. Here you may share and discuss information with others about your favorite reptile and amphibian related topics such as care and feeding, caging requirements, permits and licenses, and more. Launched in 1997, the kingsnake.com message board system is one of the oldest and largest systems on the internet.

Click here for Dragon Serpents
Southwestern Center for Herpetological Research
Click here to visit Classifieds

? about large clump of eggs, what medium

ShadyLady May 06, 2011 10:18 PM

My big two year old butter motley laid 20 beautiful eggs yesterday by my 18 mo. old amel motley het caramel! I was impressed! No slugs! They are in a large tall clump. Last year was my first year hatching corn eggs and none of them were in a tall clump like these. I placed them in a box with a half and half mix of perlite and vermiculite, same as I used last year. I scooped out a shallow depression, but didn't bury any of them. And because they are so far out of the medium I put damp spagnum on top. Does that sound okay? Or should I just put the whole clump in spagnum only? It is a sterlite shoe box with the lid on.

Any suggestions?

Thanks!
-----
----------------------------------------------------------
Amy Claiborne

Don't let them take your wasted time. J.T.

Replies (10)

a153fish May 06, 2011 10:49 PM

Amy I've hatched many of clutches like that with no problems at all. I just place them in the shoe box and leave the upper ones hang out there. You could use the moss if it makes you feel better, but if the humidity and temps are right, they will hatch regardless. If they start to indent I spray them with room temperature water set on mist. I personally don't like the spagnum cause it stains the eggs, but it really doesn't seem to do any harm other than that. Years ago when I first started, we used to hatch them with moist paper towels. If they are fertile they tend to be very resilient.
-----
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

ShadyLady May 07, 2011 05:18 PM

Thanks, Jorge. I haven't hatched enough to where I don't still get paranoid that I'm doing something wrong!
-----
----------------------------------------------------------
Amy Claiborne

Don't let them take your wasted time. J.T.

a153fish May 07, 2011 06:05 PM

>>Thanks, Jorge. I haven't hatched enough to where I don't still get paranoid that I'm doing something wrong!
>>-----
>>----------------------------------------------------------
>>Amy Claiborne
>>
>>Don't let them take your wasted time. J.T.

Amy I worry about everything these days, lol.
-----
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

DMong May 07, 2011 01:01 AM

Congratulations on the nice clutch!

Yes, as Jorge mentioned, when the clutch is glued all together in a big pile the whole mass of eggs will act like a sponge and absorb moisture from the incubating medium into the outside eggs and into the next neighboring eggs, and so on. And also as he mentioned I keep a close eye on the higher eggs that are not touching the medium for any dimpling too. If they do start to dimple, I will check my hatching medium to see if it needs a tad more moisture, but if it seems okay, I will sometimes drape moist fluffed-up sphagnum moss over the top of them to help out.

Even if the moisture seems okay for the outer eggs that are contacting the medium, and I start to notice some dimpling in the inner or higher eggs, I will drape them as needed to retain a nice smooth look anyway. The less holes in the container, the less humidity will be lost. I probably allow them to airate a tad more than some folks, but I just want to make cetain that no carbon dioxide gasses build up over the eggs is all. That can sometimes kill embryos that near full-term. It could even cause certain defects too I would think if it didn't actually kill them.

Alot of people prepare the vermiculite/perlite mixture with too much water too. I like to very slowly add water so the stuff just clumps together some when you squeeze it with your fist. Too wet and the eggs will absorb so much moisture the eggs will swell and drown the embryo. It can also swell the egg so much it bulges out the eggs into weird shapes and even can rupture and leaks.

Good luck with the nice clutch!

~Doug
-----
"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -Serpentine Specialties

ShadyLady May 07, 2011 05:22 PM

Thanks, Doug. After what you and Jorge have told me, I think I'll just leave them as they are, except I might take the spagnum off the top for now. The box doesn't have any holes in it, but the top fits loosely.
-----
----------------------------------------------------------
Amy Claiborne

Don't let them take your wasted time. J.T.

a153fish May 07, 2011 06:09 PM

>>Thanks, Doug. After what you and Jorge have told me, I think I'll just leave them as they are, except I might take the spagnum off the top for now. The box doesn't have any holes in it, but the top fits loosely.
>>-----
>>----------------------------------------------------------
>>Amy Claiborne
>>
>>Don't let them take your wasted time. J.T.

Amy last year I hatched all my eggs in containers with no holes at all, but I did check them once a week, and I would open the lid and fan them slightly to get fresh air in there. I had a very good hatch rate with all except some Everglades Rat eggs that I almost dropped. They rolled and many died in the egg.
-----
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

a153fish May 07, 2011 06:11 PM

This year I am making a large hole with a pipe screen over it to keep out the Carion flies.
-----
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

ShadyLady May 08, 2011 09:43 PM

I'm having trouble picturing that.???
-----
----------------------------------------------------------
Amy Claiborne

Don't let them take your wasted time. J.T.

draybar May 08, 2011 09:01 AM

>>My big two year old butter motley laid 20 beautiful eggs yesterday by my 18 mo. old amel motley het caramel! I was impressed! No slugs! They are in a large tall clump. Last year was my first year hatching corn eggs and none of them were in a tall clump like these. I placed them in a box with a half and half mix of perlite and vermiculite, same as I used last year. I scooped out a shallow depression, but didn't bury any of them. And because they are so far out of the medium I put damp spagnum on top. Does that sound okay? Or should I just put the whole clump in spagnum only? It is a sterlite shoe box with the lid on.
>>
>>Any suggestions?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>-----

Do not spray water directly on the eggs...there are tiny pores in the eggs and spraying water directly on the eggs can actually block these pores. Best to add water to the substrate never spray water directly on the eggs. (Thanks for this info Don S.) The clump will absorb moisture and if the top eggs begin to dimple, moist sphagnum moss around them will work.

-----
Corn snakes and rat snakes...No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)

_____

ShadyLady May 08, 2011 09:46 PM

Thanks, Jimmy. The top eggs are dimpling already even with the moist spagnum on them. I think I'd better add some water and maybe put some plastic wrap over the box (under the lid). I don't think the lid is snug enough.

Jorge, I do open them up and check on them at least weekly. Probably, more than weekly LOL!
-----
----------------------------------------------------------
Amy Claiborne

Don't let them take your wasted time. J.T.

Site Tools