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I was looking at a couple of the pics in the "...adult normal.." thread down below and noticed that those normals seem to have very little black.

If I understand correctly, a snake can be hypo and have some black, just a greatly reduced amount.

Is there something that specifically ID's a corn as hypo? One reason I ask is that two of the snakes from my first clutch have very little black around the saddles. However, I assume them to be normals based on their parents and siblings.

From what I understand the only way to know for sure if the snake is a hypo is to know the genetic heritage. I have a hypo that looks like a normal to me but she came from a hypo background. Most baby hypos not only have reduced melanin, but usually their other pigments seem brighter than a normal hatchling.

Here's a picture of my normal hypo. I also just bought a hypo hurricane motley that I should get later this week and I will post pictures.

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Anna Plaxco

Corns
1.0 Snow - Cornelius
1.1 Ghost (pastel) - Eek and Boo
0.1 Amel - Scarlet
0.1 Hypo - Nikko
Boas
0.1 Columbian - Bella
Lizards
0.0.1 Leopard Gecko - Leo
Rats
0.1 Dumbo - Dirt
Cats
1.0 Siamese - Blue
0.1 Grey - Dru
Horses
1.0 Thourghbred (Hunter/Jumper) - Morgan's Majesty aka Cody

-We have no right to distress any of God's creatures without a very good reason; we call them dumb animals, and so they are for they cannot tell us how they feel; but they do not suffer less because they have no words. -Anna Sewell

I swear she has more black in person.
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Anna Plaxco

Corns
1.0 Snow - Cornelius
1.1 Ghost (pastel) - Eek and Boo
0.1 Amel - Scarlet
0.1 Hypo - Nikko
Boas
0.1 Columbian - Bella
Lizards
0.0.1 Leopard Gecko - Leo
Rats
0.1 Dumbo - Dirt
Cats
1.0 Siamese - Blue
0.1 Grey - Dru
Horses
1.0 Thourghbred (Hunter/Jumper) - Morgan's Majesty aka Cody

-We have no right to distress any of God's creatures without a very good reason; we call them dumb animals, and so they are for they cannot tell us how they feel; but they do not suffer less because they have no words. -Anna Sewell

Interesting.

I do see the little bit of black and if that is the definition of little bit, then perhaps mine has too much to be considered hypo (as I suspected).

I have a busy night but I'll try to snap a pic of the holdback form my first clutch that I'm refering too. I'll then post it.

I'm not sure on the genetics of mine despite owning the male and female (that's a duh on me).

Female is Anery A. Male is candycane. I expected all normals. I hatched only a little over 50% (I've learned some things will do better in future). Of the ones that hatched I had 1 Anery, 2 Amels, and the rest normals but the normals ranged from brownish with grey to bright red with very light grey that goes way high on the body with only a little black around the saddels (like the one I will post a pic of).

Seems to me that if that combo threw anerys and amels then the Anery femals was het amel and the candycane male was het anery (weird?).

That’s part of the fun with corn snakes. You never know what you will get. I have a snow that I have had for 4 years and he could have hets but I would never know without breeding him because I bought him from a pet store. I think a lot of us probably didn’t know a lot about our earlier snake’s genetics. I didn’t think about it at the time. Also the hypo I posted has possible hets of anery A, anery B and amel but I won’t know until I breed her. She may not have inherited any of her parents traits (but I hope so).

For you to get hypos from those parents they would also both have to be het hypo which is a possibility if you don’t know their genetic backgrounds. If you know the breeder of the adults he may be able to give you more insight. If I were breeding and I wasn’t sure about the genetics of my hatchlings I would call them normals with a hypoish look just to be on the safe side, but that’s just me. Post a picture of the baby. There are a lot of experienced people here that might be able to tell if it’s a type of hypomelanism. (Besides I love baby pictures!) My guess is that it may just be a nice variation of the normal coloring.

Also another thought…if both parents have anery genes and hypo genes you should get some ghosts. If you breed them again and never get ghosts chances are they don’t have hypo genes. But you had a good chance for snows with those two and didn’t get any so who knows…

Congrats on your first clutch. I haven’t tried any breeding yet so if I get any babies the first year (next year) I will be ecstatic.
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Anna Plaxco

Corns
1.0 Snow - Cornelius
1.1 Ghost (pastel) - Eek & Boo
1.1 Amel - ? & Scarlet
0.1 Hypo - Nikko
0.1 Anery - Missy
0.1 Hypo Hurricane Motley - ?
Boas
0.1 Columbian - Bella
Lizards
0.0.1 Leopard Gecko - Leo
Rats
0.1 Dumbo - Dirt
Cats
1.1 Siamese - Blue & Dragon
0.1 Grey - Dru
Horses
1.0 Thourghbred (Hunter/Jumper) - Morgan's Majesty aka Cody

-We have no right to distress any of God's creatures without a very good reason; we call them dumb animals, and so they are for they cannot tell us how they feel; but they do not suffer less because they have no words. -Anna Sewell

Hey Anna,you said you were going to the San Mateo IRBA. did you get anything. I got a little anery named George. Just Wondering.
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-BloughchiBoy

Bloughchi is a footbag kicking style. footbag.com

1.0.1 corn (george and asmodeus)
0.1 west highland white terrier (chili)
0.1 jack russell terror(no typo)(charlie)
1.0 green cheeked conure (kiwi)
0.1 cat (highway)

I picked up a charcoal hatchling but tragically he died after his first meal. Just wasn't meant to be I guess. We were also looking at a Dumeril Boa and an Amazon Tree Boa (interesting attitude on those little guys), but didn't get anything else from the show this year.

Good luck with you new little one. How'd you like the show? It was better than I expected. It was a lot less crowded compared to the Sacramento show and I think there were just as many animals. Next year I want to try to make it to Pomona or San Diego and see what that's like. And one day I will make it to Florida for a show...
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Anna Plaxco

Corns
1.0 Snow - Cornelius
1.1 Ghost (pastel) - Eek & Boo
1.1 Amel - ? & Scarlet
0.1 Hypo - Nikko
0.1 Anery - Missy
0.1 Hypo Hurricane Motley - ?
Boas
0.1 Columbian - Bella
Lizards
0.0.1 Leopard Gecko - Leo
Rats
0.1 Dumbo - Dirt
Cats
1.1 Siamese - Blue & Dragon
0.1 Grey - Dru
Horses
1.0 Thourghbred (Hunter/Jumper) - Morgan's Majesty aka Cody

-We have no right to distress any of God's creatures without a very good reason; we call them dumb animals, and so they are for they cannot tell us how they feel; but they do not suffer less because they have no words. -Anna Sewell

I was satisfied my little anery just ate for the second time last friday (f/t pink). Sorry about your little charcoal. What vendor did you get him from?
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-BloughchiBoy

Bloughchi is a footbag kicking style. footbag.com

1.0.1 corn (george and asmodeus)
0.1 west highland white terrier (chili)
0.1 jack russell terror(no typo)(charlie)
1.0 green cheeked conure (kiwi)
0.1 cat (highway)

Thanks. It was the first herp I have ever had die so it was hard. There was crying. I'd have to check the paperwork because I don't remember the vendor name. I will e-mail you tomorrow if you really want to know. It wasn't a big vendor.
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Anna Plaxco

Corns
1.0 Snow - Cornelius
1.1 Ghost (pastel) - Eek & Boo
1.1 Amel - ? & Scarlet
0.1 Hypo - Nikko
0.1 Anery - Missy
0.1 Hypo Hurricane Motley - ?
Boas
0.1 Columbian - Bella
Lizards
0.0.1 Leopard Gecko - Leo
Rats
0.1 Dumbo - Dirt
Cats
1.1 Siamese - Blue & Dragon
0.1 Grey - Dru
Horses
1.0 Thourghbred (Hunter/Jumper) - Morgan's Majesty aka Cody

-We have no right to distress any of God's creatures without a very good reason; we call them dumb animals, and so they are for they cannot tell us how they feel; but they do not suffer less because they have no words. -Anna Sewell

thats ok I was just wondering.
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-BloughchiBoy

Bloughchi is a footbag kicking style. footbag.com

1.0.1 corn (george and asmodeus)
0.1 west highland white terrier (chili)
0.1 jack russell terror(no typo)(charlie)
1.0 green cheeked conure (kiwi)
0.1 cat (highway)

Many times, normals will have thin borders around their blotches. It's not really an indicator of hypo.

Here's a w/c normal corn with thin blotch borders:

Here's my hypo

A hypo will tend to have 'black' that is faded gray or brown - easily noticed in the belly checks.

Also, as hatchlings, normals and hypos will look very different. There's usually no question what is hypo and what isn't in a mix of normals and hypos.
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-audri
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Just took the pics but not wish I would have taken a belly shot or two because she just shed and her belly checks are faded.

Hopefully I'm not misunderstood, I think she's normal.

I'll see if I have room in my free kingsnake account for at least one of the pics.

Normal I suspect but faded belly. Also doesn't matter, not in it for money or labels, just like cornsnakes.

Need to get closer I think. Sorry.