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Is the Citrus Pastel a different morph or just a different line of pastels? How is it different from a regular pastel? Is it the same as a Whiteout Pastel?
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Its a different line,and some lines are just better than others...

Citrus pastels were originally thought of as just a different line of pastel, now the citrus is considered it's own separate gene. They are the same as a whiteout. I don't know what citrus might look like on it's own, but I do have a g-stripe that is much lighter and we believe it is quite possibly a citrus g-stripe without being a pastel. Every off spring from a citrus pastel is not automatically a citrus pastel.

This is why they are now called whiteouts.

This is how they change. Super Pastel Citrus Calico (possibly super citrus)

Super Pastel Citrus (possibly super citrus)

Mike not to sound argumentative but how can we say that something is considered a different gene and then in the next sentence say but we don't know what it looks like. We must keep a scientific look at our hobby and understand that nothing can be proven until it can be duplicated. I will be one of the first to say the citrus pastels are super hot and they do things to other morphs that other lines wish they could but until a "citrus" is produced and then reproduced it cannot be considered it's own morph.
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Mike not to sound argumentative but how can we say that something is considered a different gene and then in the next sentence say but we don't know what it looks like. We must keep a scientific look at our hobby and understand that nothing can be proven until it can be duplicated. I will be one of the first to say the citrus pastels are super hot and they do things to other morphs that other lines wish they could but until a "citrus" is produced and then reproduced it cannot be considered it's own morph.
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Josh,
I'm just going by what Amir has told me, and the theory has been accepted by others. Ask GC their opinion on this. The reasoning behind this I believe, is that not all pastels produced from a citrus pastel are citrus pastels. The citrus gene itself could look no different than a normal, or so slightly different that it hasn't been noticed yet. The idea that there is two different genes at work has been around for several years. I have hatched citrus pastel g-stripes, citrus pastel het g-stripe and many g-stripes. One g-stripe is much lighter than all of the others. We THINK, this may be citrus isolated from pastel.
The pictures are of two regular pastel g-stripes and a citrus pastel g-stripe, all produced from the same pastel g-stripe male breed to het stripes that have no relation to citrus.

There is still a lot to learn from the citrus whiteouts.

The citrus whiteout are throwing something extra that is not a in pastel form. Nothing is solid yet as it has not been 100% proved. I am currently holding back a few citrus whiteout siblings that are tweaked out, including a couple normals and a tweaked out lesser. I have also seen some citrus whiteout siblings at Amirs facility that definitely look funky that he is holding back. They include normals, lessers, yellow bellies, mochas ect ect.

Im also attaching a lesser that is looking super funky compared to his regular lesser sibling that came from a citrus whiteout clutch.

Jonathan
Breeders Circle

My understanding is that "Citrus Pastel" was a name Amir originally gave to a new line of pastels. Over time, it appeared that there was an extra gene at work, inherited independently from the citrus pastel gene, that enhanced the look of these pastels, so Amir added the term "whiteout". The Citrus pastels with this hidden gene are called Citrus Pastel Whiteouts.

I gets a little confusing! I guess Amir would have the last word. BTW I have a nice pastel female from Amir that has retained a nice yellow coloration to adulthood (she is due to lay eggs from a pastel male by the end of the month). This female is the brightest nicest adult pastel I've ever seen. She also has white and black speckling on her sides...Maybe a Citrus before Amir realized they were different? (CROSS MY FINGERS)
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