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Hi,

I am amazed by the different colors and patterns that I have seen in the Southern Pinesnake. From pink hypo's to almost snow white patternless ones.

I thought it would be fun to see how many different pics we can list here.

Thanks,

Jay Jacoby

This one is CB. I've never seen a wild one but from all the pics I've seen this one _might_ be a quintessential normal. Good idea, hoping to see more pics.

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That pic itself, of that gorgeous pine, is AWESOME! The way the pic captures him holding his head up like that in that pose is really cool!!
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Genesis 1:1

Thanks man, I felt so too. She does that fairly often, more than my other pits.
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heres a few of mine.

Lovely! I think I like those purply faded ones best.
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Some of mine:

Normal southern

Snow southern

Albino southern

Not-so normal-southern

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Genesis 1:1

That last one is a stunner!
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Nick Puder
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Thank you sir!
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Genesis 1:1

Oooohhhhh yeah! ...I remember that well. I'll venture that's the numero uno Pit I've ever seen! ...close to best looking snake in the world!

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Thank you so kindly!

I will try to take a recent pic to post.
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Genesis 1:1

I give up a limb for that pine too, a left one if its OK.

HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks.....
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Genesis 1:1

Here is a cool Southern from the Pepper Pine Line. This one is just crazy! Orange head, and pink blotched body. I like the patterning on this one, as it is so different from the patternless Pepper Pines that we are working with.

Enjoy!

Here is one of my pink Leucistic Southern Pines. He is starting to get grey/silver scales. He is about 5 years old, and has changed colors through out his life.

Jay

WOW! Awesome snake there, good luck with the peppers this year!
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Nick Puder
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That is just waaaayyyyy over-the-top!!!
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You should see the ones that Im NOT showing you guys!!!!
How about a blonde patternless metallic Pepper Pine with an orange stripe! This is the only patternless Pepper I hatched last year.

Jay Jacoby

Very interesting. What is the story on these?
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Genesis 1:1

Discern, Are you asking about the Pepper Pinesnakes?

Jay

Yes, and the one pictured with the blotches.
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Genesis 1:1

Okay, here goes.

This project was started by a friend of mine many years ago. He was breeding several types of Pines, and Bulls at the time. He ended up breeding a male Patternless Southern Pine to a female that was most likely a Bull-Southern Pine(patterned) female.

He bred them only once before the male Pine died of old age. So there were only a few of these produced. From this one clutch there were 3 "Pepper Pines" produced, and 3 normal looking patterned ones These Patternless ones were named Pepper Pines because of the cool black and white peppering on the first 1/3 of their body.

I purchased the 3 Pepper Pines, and bred them last year. From this breeding there were normal patterned ones, along with red and yellow Pepper pines, and one pastel blonde with an orange stripe.

I plan to breed other Southern Patternless blood into this project, as well as breeding 2 reds, and 2 yellows together when they hatch out again.

I am not sure where all the colors and patterns are coming from, but this is really a neat project. I am so into these Pines, I am done with all my Pythons, and only working with these, and a few other Colubrids.

Thanks,

Jay Jacoby

Well, due to your explanation, it then appears to be the consensus that you have hybrid pits then. For that reason, in my opinion, they should not be called pines, or Southern pines for that matter, as they truly are not. If they are being labeled pines, that can cause confusion to those who are wanting to buy and breed pure southern pines, so you should be labeling them accordingly to what they are. Many pit freaks would appreciate you doing so, and it is the responsible thing to do.

Take care!

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Genesis 1:1

Okay...

Like I said I did not breed the original snakes. The guy who started this project was sure the male was a Southern Patternless Pine, as this was the only male involved in this project. He had several females, and the one that had these hatchlings was a snake that had an "odd patterned" look to her. He thought it was pure, but looked like it had some Bullsnake influence to her. I stated that it was a Southern-Bull, but might not have been.

If it makes you more comfortable for me to use another name other than Southern Pinesnakes, thats fine. That is why I called them Pepper Pines.

Keep in mind that the "normal" looking offspring produced by these look like pure patterned Southern Pinesnakes. I am only going on what I was told by the original breeder from years ago.

Jay

I hear ya. But, you also have to remember, that you can even get normal looking ones, in some characteristics, from breedings such as those. That one you posted, the adult patterned one, is gorgeous! Simply gorgeous, but IMO, does not look like a southern, and looks like it may have some bull in it. Beautiful, none the less.

Just stating that if your information is true about that original breeder female being, or possibly being a bull/pine cross, that may explain also the different looking snakes you are hatching.

Take care!

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Genesis 1:1

The blotched snake in the photo looks to me to be at minimum 1/2 Bullsnake. It has twice as many body blotches as most Southern Pinesnakes. I may not be perfectly accurate but I think the average is around 24 blotches not 40 . P. ruthveni rarely have more than about 36 or so.