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My 08 female mating with "Tom" my 07 Male.
My 07 female also mated with Tom last week.

more info here:
http://projectsimusflorida.synthasite.com/
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2.2 Southern Hognose
.1 Scarlet kingsnake

http://projectsimusflorida.synthasite.com/

Congratulations, Bladerunner! I hope this breeding results in 100% fertility. Your "Project Simus" website is very informative as well. I wish I could keep Simus but they enjoy protection in my home state of South Carolina so I'll have to admire the work of people like yourself instead.

It's also nice to see something other than nasicus on this forum. The nasicus breeders certainly produce amazing animals and a beautiful array of morphs, but show me more platirhinos and simus, the forum needs some balance.

Thanks!
Yea this forum does not seem like the place to post Simus info.
Seems more of a designer western hog Boutique.
I check it from time to time.
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2.2 Southern Hognose
.1 Scarlet kingsnake

http://projectsimusflorida.synthasite.com/

Nice snakes and good luck with the pairing...

BUT,
I cant hekp but to find the quote below a bit insultig...

"Yea this forum does not seem like the place to post Simus info.
Seems more of a designer western hog Boutique.
I check it from time to time."

So, because we are keeping and breeding the most popular hognose species and posting pics of them with their cool little pattern and color variations, the info on the less popularly kept species is beyond the folks who contribute to this "designer western hog boutique???

Well I'm sure that was not taken well... sorry but a better way to say it is, "It seems more of a pet breeding forum and not Scientific type forum" so it is my fault for saying that. I really never get much response here anyway, maybe not many people are into Simus which I can understand. My comment was directed more to the reply I got.

Sorry for the quote, I guess after reading some of the threads that to me sounded a bit over done I spoke before thinking. I normally keep my mouth shut and keep my thoughts to myself. Thanks for letting me know what you think.
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2.2 Southern Hognose
.1 Scarlet kingsnake

http://projectsimusflorida.synthasite.com/

Wow Greg, a little sensitive, don't you think?

Since you posed a question though, I'll take a shot at the answer. Yes, simus does seem beyond the scope of the "designer western hog boutique" crowd, at least from an interest standpoint. This is fairly well evidenced by the fact that the only person to respond to the original Bladerunner post was me, and I don't keep westerns. We can hardly count your response as you seem more interested in a defensive retort to a rather innocuous comment.

If you took offense at Bladerunners previous effort, you're almost certain to find his next offering offensive when he states that many of the threads seem to be "over done" regarding westerns. As someone with no dog in the fight, I can tell you that I believe I see his point. These threads about "red" phase westerns are highly imaginative to say the least. This is a boutique club word used to define the most subtle of differences in the color brown. We just had a whole thread about "showing your reds", without a single snake that wasn't an albino even approaching the color red/orange. Trust me, I'll buy the first pair of actual "red" phase western hogs I see advertised, regardless of price.

Is it against the rules here for somebody to discuss Easterns or Southerns? Trust me, I get that as a Western breeder you aren't responsible for showcasing anything other than your specialty. I also enjoy seeing the amazing morphs that many of you produce. That said, your response rubbed me the wrong way, and brown isn't red unless you have red sunglasses on.

bladrunner,
I can assure you that any good information you have on Southerns will be most welcome here... Many of us here are into many other species and not just western hognoses... I am very interested in southerns and plan on taking on a pair this season... Your info would be quite useful... Yes, some of us western hognose keepers can actually appreciate and understand info with some scientific backing...

WDeptula,
I wish I can say I am sorry about my post rubbing you the wrong way but that would be a lie... I actually find your post even more insulting...

If you do not like our "over done" western hognose posts you can just keep from respond instead of insulting some very good, reputable people on this forum... Do you think you are above anyone here??? Because that is exactly how I translate your response...

You've moved beyond sensitive to infantile. I actually complemented the many fine breeders on this forum in both posts, reading is fundamental. I've put myself above nobody on this forum, that's just more propaganda on your part.

Your original response was uncalled for, take a look in the mirror.

Walt

from a person who doesn't even keep hogs huh?? Lol...
Show this picture to a little kid and ask them what color it is.
You need to get your eyes check yo!

Well Joseph, show it to an adult and they will tell you it's a shade of brown. A box of Crayola crayons will show you the same.
It's a nice looking snake.

I deal with sports fans all day long in my job, they can never recognize the truths about their respective teams. It seems as if western breeders can't admit that brown is brown.
Sorry Joseph, but if it's red you seek in a normal hog, you will only find it in an eastern. My good buddy Chad Fuchs tells me has a legit red one and he's sending me the photo tonight, I'll let you know.

Once again, I have tremendous respect for the many morphs and phases that all of you fine western breeders produce, please don't take it personally when people with NO VESTED INTEREST voice a single issue complaint over the use of the word "red".

Walt

Chad has easterns?? I will make sure to ask good ol'Chad fuchs about this red eastern.
Chad is one of my very closest friends we talk preaty much daily and know eachothers entire collections by heart. I had no idea he worked with eastern hogs.
That's fantastic news Because I've always wanted to work with easterns but finding quality specimens isn't easy.

U see a shade of brown,,I see a shade of red.
You are definatly intitled to your opinion mr. walt and it's surely welcome by me but I honestly can't see how you see a brown snake my man. This little girl is smokin red to me.
I better get me some of those red glasses my eyes just might be the ones that need some checkin'..
Have a nice evening-

Joseph,

I'm sorry for the confusion, Chad told me tonight that he has a Western that he believes to be more red than others he has seen. No, he has no Easterns.

You have beautiful animals, I certainly meant no offense to you. Good luck this season.

Walt

Thanks a lot walt.
Any friend of chads is a friend to me.
If/when you decide to get back into keeping snakes let me know and I'll shoot you over a free pair of browns

This is a red Simus. It is not a morph but a true color phase that occurs in a few county's in Florida.

check out my web site to see more true Simus photos in the wild.

http://projectsimusflorida.synthasite.com/
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2.2 Southern Hognose
.1 Scarlet kingsnake

http://projectsimusflorida.synthasite.com/

Beautiful southern bladerunner...

That is an amazing looking simus. I have seen easterns look like that but never seen a simus with that much red/orange/shade of brown what ever you call it.

I have 2 friends who have red Simus. They look great. I have a eastern that is red. Look on my web site in the eastern hog section at the bottom of page.
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2.2 Southern Hognose
.1 Scarlet kingsnake

http://projectsimusflorida.synthasite.com/

Hi Bladerunner,If it's not to much trouble,I would like to see a couple belly shots of those southerns.Also just wondering if some of those offspring are headed back to the wild.Nice snakes-thank you.jenni/

Hi. I can provide belly photos but may I ask why first? Which snakes would you like belly photos of? The mating pair? There a belly photos on my site of southerns I also show eastern belly shots.
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2.2 Southern Hognose
.1 Scarlet kingsnake

http://projectsimusflorida.synthasite.com/

Hey Bladerunner,Personally I'd just like to see some Florida bellies that are actually from Florida.(especially the red ones)Publicly it might be nice to illustrate the stark contrast between eastern and southern,for folks who live where their ranges overlap.thanks again for posting such nice photographs.jenni/

There are picks on my web site but when my eastern shed I will post some pics here Stay tuned in a week it's blue now.
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2.2 Southern Hognose
.1 Scarlet kingsnake

http://projectsimusflorida.synthasite.com/

I bet it is not actually blue is it. LOL
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Steve Perry
North Idaho.

Nice one
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2.2 Southern Hognose
.1 Scarlet kingsnake

http://projectsimusflorida.synthasite.com/

Can you post some pics of the southerns from NC, MD, & VA.
I have seen lots of pics from FL& SC, a few from GA, one from AL, none from MS. Would be interesting to see the variances in color and pattern.
Ventral shots as well.
Any localities producing reds apart from Florida?

thanks,
Kevin Rhodes
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Thank you,
Kevin Rhodes

www.spiderhognose.com

http://www.freewebs.com/spreptile/index.htm
http://s212.photobucket.com/albums/cc314/lifesciences/?action=view¤t=09-09hognose001.jpg

Hey Kevin, The only photos I have of simus in Virginia are of road-kill.On top of that they were taken with a poloroid insta-matic.I can photoghaph my photographs with a digital-and try to get them up.I also took a picture of an eastern just because it looked like a copperhead mimic.I spent 20 years hiking around Virginia and can count the number of live hognoses I found on two hands,and never kept any as pets.Most people in Virginia look for snakes with a hoe a shovel or a shotgun.I live in Oregon now.jenni/

Awesome, yes if you dont mind.
I'm in texas where "the only good snake is a dead snake" to most people.
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Thank you,
Kevin Rhodes

www.spiderhognose.com

http://www.freewebs.com/spreptile/index.htm
http://s212.photobucket.com/albums/cc314/lifesciences/?action=view¤t=09-09hognose001.jpg

Kevin, I am 100% sure liljenni will come up short on pics of Southern hognose snakes in Va and MD... There are no Southern hogs in those States now and they were not there 20 years ago...

Tell me what species these lists are lacking...

Species list for Virginia...
http://www.virginiaherpetologicalsociety.com/reptiles/snakes/snakes_of_virginia.htm

http://www.bedford.k12.va.us/fms/lessons/snakes/snakes_of_virginia.htm

http://www.acavirginiascamps.org/documents/ACASnake-EdPPT.pdf

http://www.nature-wildlife.com/vasnake.htm

Snakes of Maryland

http://wwwnew.towson.edu/herpetology/Reptiles.htm

http://pet-snakes.com/more-pet-snakes/pet-snakes-state/maryland

http://www.uga.edu/srelherp/snakes/hetsim.htm

lol...snakes can't read.

Apparently, neither can you...

Any pics from MISS, AL ? May have been too long since they have been seen there.
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Thank you,
Kevin Rhodes

www.spiderhognose.com

http://www.freewebs.com/spreptile/index.htm
http://s212.photobucket.com/albums/cc314/lifesciences/?action=view¤t=09-09hognose001.jpg

No it's just for Florida Simus. Been a long time since a Simus was found in AL. Shame
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2.2 Southern Hognose
.1 Scarlet kingsnake

http://projectsimusflorida.synthasite.com/

Maybe you can post some southerns from Virginia and Maryland for liljenni being that she has caught southerns in those two States... LOL...

Greg,

Well said, I tried to stay off of this thread, but I can't help but notice this is the second time in the last week or so that someone has thought there were simus in Va. and Maryland. On a side note, nice site Glenn, good luck with the babies.