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Prodigy Boas at last

boaphile May 15, 2011 03:33 PM

I had some Prodigy Boas born about 12 hours ago. I was able to get the male Prodigy Boa that I described as mine in a picture below, to breed his 66% possible Het sister, resulting in a nice litter of Prodigy Boas and Het Prodigy Boas. Here are a few pictures of these most recent puppies:

Yesterday there were only three Prodigy Boas on the planet. Today there are a few more added to their number.

In 2010 I was fortunate to breed the only adult female Prodigy Boa on the planet to a Hypo Motley resulting in Hypos and Motleys het for Prodigy Boa.

Thankfully the world now has more Prodigy Boas!

For those who are unaware of the history of the Prodigy Boas, here it is in short:

In 1993 I traded some Peruvian Red Tails Boas to a fellow in Washington State for some really pink Colombian Babies he had produced. That guys name was Matthew Rodda. Yes Rodda. In 1999 I did what was probably the first sibling breeding I had ever done in an effort to see how pink I could make some baby Boas. Those babies were quite nice but not spectacularly pink. Clay English bought several of those babies from me. One of those babies was "Delilah", the female that proved to be het for a new form of T-Positive, the Prodigy Boas.

Clay had picked up a really nice super light Pastel Colombian Boa off a classified ad on line from a jobber in California back in 2000. Clay named him "Surfer Dude". Here is a picture of him below.

They both proved to be heterozygous for a form of T-Positive Albino. Clay named them “Prodigy Boas”. This is the two of them together during courtship prior to having the first Prodigy Boas born.

Together they made this litter in 2007 that resulting in four male and two female Prodigy Boas:

Here are several of those you see as babies above when they had gotten a little size on them.

The Prodigy below is my larger and as of today, proven male. The other male I have is the tiny runt you see just to the right of center of the group of Prodigies in the picture of the babies that Clay had in 2007. He does like to breed, but he is a little guy.

The first three remained in the hands of Clay English. The last one shown above and another pair were shrewdly bargained for by me, Jeff Ronne Sr. The Boaphile. Clay actually very graciously allowed me to trade up for half the Prodigy project. This past winter, on a record cold night Clay had a personally disaster, when a circuit breaker failure that resulted in the death of his three Prodigies, leaving the burden to make more entirely to me.

Thank you Clay!

I love, no I absolutely adore baby Boas while they are still in the goo!
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

Replies (22)

perfectpredators May 15, 2011 03:48 PM

Thise boas are ridiculous as sub adults and adults, Perhaps they may not have the notoriety of other Ts nor the prestige....YET! However in a few years I think that will be the next sought after T if not already. Also from what I understand they make a visual double het when bred to a sharp that looks different from a paradigm. It has all the makings of a superstar!

UW_Colormorphs May 15, 2011 03:53 PM

Congratulations Jeff on this litter. The Prodigy Boas look really class.
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chris nicholas May 15, 2011 04:07 PM

Way to see a project through.........well deserved.

Chris

LarM May 15, 2011 05:37 PM

Congratulations Jeff they're beautiful,great much needed litter !

. . . Lar M
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dan80woma May 15, 2011 06:59 PM

Very Nice prodigy boas Jeff. Huge Congrats !

Shane Kinney May 15, 2011 07:14 PM

Congrats Mr. Ronne! Nice litter! Thanks for the excellent pics and good explanation of Prodigy history! So... how many lines of T positive boas do we have now?

boaphile May 15, 2011 07:33 PM

I assume you mean of the "Colombian Type" Shane. Three I think that have been reproduced deliberately in the US I think. I say deliberately because I can think of at least four others that have popped up in the US, but have not reproduced yet.
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

LarM May 15, 2011 07:42 PM

Lets Count them, I come up with Four unless you count Paradigm Then Five

BWC

VPI Caramel

Prodigy Boas

Russian T Blonde

&

Paradigm if you want to count them

. . . Lar M
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boaphile May 15, 2011 10:32 PM

I didn't think anyone had produced any Blondes yet in the US. Has anyone? Who?
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

LarM May 16, 2011 12:33 AM

>>>Posted by: Shane Kinney at Sun May 15 19:14:04 2011

>>So... how many lines of T positive boas do we have now?

I thought Ruben produced some Blondes, maybe that didn't work out.

I do know Het T Blondes have been made.

The way the question reads is simply "how many T lines do we have".

I'm only guessing it means how many "Colombian T lines are in the US", but . . .
I suppose it could be applied world wide as well.

C.A. types don't count in my book.

So there are 4 plus the Paradigm.

. . . Lar M
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stconstrictors May 16, 2011 09:17 AM

A few years back . Dynasty Reptiles produced one from a hypo pastel breeding.. I wonder if anyone else has had a caramel pop up in a litter where they weren't expecting one..

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.Spencer.

RuBeN14 May 17, 2011 02:16 AM

A month or two back I had a Het Blonde female that was bred to my Blonde male, give me a litter that had about 15 slugs and two premies. They were about three to four weeks early but the two premies had full pattern and were Red. Someone else on either here or another forum had the same thing happen just about the same time with their litter but their premies were a faint lighter grayish color like most premies that aren't Albino or T look. I'm willing to bet the Collection the two in my litter were T . I was really looking forward to that litter,especially to put any doubts about Blondes that Mr.Ronne has or actually mine in general like i've heard threw the Grapevine from a couple different folks. I promise you Jeff,you would've been the first to see goo pix! Anyways,my biggest regret is being mad about the litter and tossing the aftermath out without taking any pix of the two premies. I'll have way more options with my Blondes next season so I guess we'll have to wait until then. From me atleast.

As far as your litter goes Mr.Ronne,CONGRATS....they look very nice. Have you or do you have plans to breed any Prodigy visuals or Hets to any BWC stock in the future? I've been talking with a couple select folks the past few days and the majority(including me)think they resemble BWC's a lot. I'm sure thats something you don't want in the long run but I think it should tried out especially if you consider that really light premie you had earlier this season was a Prodigy form of Paradigm. What did you coin that, a Paradise Boa? This opinion comes from the look and development of the first Prodigys(with the exception of one) and the looks of the babies of the recent litter. Hopefully you have better results with your Prodigy x Sharp breedings next year. If you need a Killer looking Sharp female for the trials or Sunglow i'd be happy to send a stunner over!

boaphile May 17, 2011 12:51 PM

I have zero doubt about the Russian Blondes Reuben. I have doubts about the credibility of some of the information we have been given that has been conflicting and the possible difficulty in their identification sometimes. I don't know if the breeding trials have been misinterpreted, which seems most likely, or the result of breeding misidentified animals. It's impossible to know as the sources of the conflicting info chose to not engage in any discussion about them. I have no doubt that they are very much real and great things will happen with them in the future. You have NOT been the source of anything confusing or contradictory by the way. I really look forward to seeing more of and from them in the future.

I don't get the claim of synonymy between the BWC and the Prodigy. There are a whole lot more BWC animals out there and I haven't seen one adult that looks remotely similar to an adult Prodigy. Residing on the same locus does not require that those two mutations must be identical, especially when they clearly are not similar in appearance in any way when they get a little age on them. Not remotely close. Plus, a full term Sharp X Prodigy has yet to be produced to prove they are on the same locus.
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

RuBeN14 May 20, 2011 02:48 PM

Like I said in my fisrt post, I was talking about my Blonde in general. I heard you were questioning wether or not he was a visual. He is very much a visual and I guess I took it as a little insulting. Although I haven't been doing this as long as you,i've been doing it long enough to know when i'm looking at a Visual and not a Normal or Het. No hard feelings though. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

If you were talking about P.R. as far as the lack of info you requested,I know why he didn't entertain your request and understand his reasons. He definitely wasn't trying to hide anything. Check some of the Euro forums. There was a big post about the Mystics a few months back,that I think will answer atleast some of the questions you had back then. I can't remember the name of the site/forum but it seemed like a popular one when I went to it.

Robert Baker May 15, 2011 07:31 PM

Congrats....on another great litter.
Baker's Boas

Sharpman May 16, 2011 04:18 AM

Congratulations on a truly amazing litter , it's a litter we all needed and are glad to see. I can also see these becoming the must have in any collection when they become more redily available
Kev

kblumenthal May 16, 2011 07:05 AM

Congratulations Jeff, I'm glad there are now more Prodigy's for all of us to enjoy!
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LucasMatlock May 16, 2011 11:36 AM

CONGRATULATIONS!!! I have been out of town for a few days without a computer and it looks like it was a bad weekend to be without the forums.

kirby May 16, 2011 06:22 PM

Those are some very nice looking T boas. Do they really appear to be lighter and darker or is that from the pictures? I am so glad to see you produce litters like this. For the younger people out there who don't know you used to be opposed to morph breeding. I am very happy that you completely embraced breeding morphs along with your high quality local breedings. You have contributed many new interesting morphs and I think the Prodigy boas will be a great new addition to the boa world. How are the green snakes coming?

A slightly older old timer;
Bill Kirby

boaphile May 16, 2011 06:37 PM

I don't remember being anti-morph. I produced my first true morphs back in 1993 or 1994, Albinos and haven't looked back. I produced the second litter of Double Het Ghosts too. You probably remember that. I do remember being a zealot against any crossing of known localities though. But you and I both know I slinked across that barrier a few years back, very quietly, but that stuff is deep inside a dungeon far below the Boa Black hole, and will not be revealed until the time... lol

You still are the slightly older old timer huh... I'll take that. That does make me feel pretty good at this point, or at least a little bit better.

Oh and yes, some are lighter than the others. That's interesting. I'll be watching them as the shed and continue to develop. The hets are much darker than I would have predicted too. With this strange flashing if high contrast or lightness hear the tail areas. Kind of different.

Stay tuned Bill Kirby. You may be entertained by a few of my other little surprises still coming this season.
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

kirby May 16, 2011 08:56 PM

I think I am several months older than you but your boa wisdome far exceeds mine. I accept your thoughts about morphs although I remember some conversations in the 90's where I detected an anti-morph sentiment on your part. Either way it is definitely to the benefit of the boa world that you have so completely embraced the morphs. Regrading the color in the Prodigy boas it is an interesting appearance. I don't know if you will be able clarify what the difference is and whether it can be selectively bred. The genetics experts may be able to give you some insight as to what is going on. I think given the background that they came from your Prodigy boas may become the best T morph.

As always I look forward to seeing what you produce. I hope to see the jungle blood boa from you this year as you are the person best situated to produce it. As for combination morphs you know I have always been one of the strongest advocates for combination morphs. I still wish someone would breed on of these awesome inky black peruvians with an Arabesques boa to take the Arabesque boa to a whole new level. I think a Hogg island cross with the Key West boa where you retain the Key West pattern and get the natural hypomelanism of the Hogg island would make an amazing boa. I think the Prodigy Motleys will look better than the paradigm notleys but I think you need to get more color into them so the adults maintain strong color.

I look forward to seeing what you produce this year. What is going on with the albino that you showed so may pictures of?

Bill

JohnBerry May 18, 2011 05:57 AM

Wow Jeff, thats a super nice litter in the baby goo !!

cheers, John
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