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Hi I'm really new to this forum but thought the thread below was really interesting regarding the growing interest in hybrids. It seems more and more people on here like them and I totally agree with FR and Davis that hybrids are beautiful and there's nothing wrong with them. Just thought I'd share some pics. I have a few projects in the works right now including s. florida mole king x eastern indigo.

The pics below are of my hi-white cal king x hypo hondo. Recently had 5 eggs laid. Gonna call them "Calondos". Should be some really cool, cutting edge stuff...can't wait!

Hope you all enjoy!

bored, huh?
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

Look, I know this has been a sensitve issue in the past, but all I ask is that people on this forum show respect and be civil. Please don't be sarcastic. All of my snakes are healthy and content and like to breed. Additionally, I would never misrepresent what they are or anything else for that matter....and they weren't "hatched in a basement" like so many have implied.

well tell me how your plans of breeding L.c. occipitolineata X Drymarchon couperi come along.
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

>>well tell me how your plans of breeding L.c. occipitolineata X Drymarchon couperi come along.

I think that would end up with one fat Dry.........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

It would just be an appetizer, lol.

This guy is obviously either joking, or needing some attention!
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

>>It would just be an appetizer, lol.
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>>This guy is obviously either joking, or needing some attention!

LOL......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Hubbs or Schofield?
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

>>Hubbs or Schofield?

I say Hubbs.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

>>Hubbs or Schofield?
>>:Mark
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>>Surrender Dorothy!
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>>crimsonking.piczo.com/

Blurry photos are a dead give away..... crack pipe would ice it....

"Blurry photos are a dead give away..... crack pipe would ice it"

LMAO!!!....

And some old beer cans and pizza boxes in the background would really clinch things!..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

I seem to sense by what your saying is that these two can't breed. if they biologically canNOT, then I won't do it. I actually do not have either of those two two snakes right yet. the indigos are one of my all time favs, but i can't really afford one yet, LOL! and the Moles kings seem to be super rare, so i just thought it would be an interesting thing to try.

I have some added questions to follow up with. When a male and a female snake copillates, how soon should I try to pull tthem apart once there all done and seperate them since there king snakes.

Well, first off, don't try to pull them apart while they are locked or you may injure the male's hemipenis. If copulation is occurring eating is not that likely. Just check on them and when they have naturally separated you can remove one of them.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Ok, but the one male's hemipenes are really flared out and so I thought I should probly take it away. But I'll leave them together. Thank you for not being rude like the others.

You don't need to seperate them until the female is in her pre lay shed.

Never seprate snakes that are still breeding or wnating to breed. let them do their thing or eggs won't be fertilized.
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www.Bluerosy.com

Yo Dude,
As Sensitively as I can, with all due respect, and not intending any sarcasm let me point out that there is indeed a forum for hybrids. People that support such practices probably make their way there all the time. I'm sure they will share your sense of wonder!!!!

Pat G-C

Hi Pat, With all due respect, I have to disagree.

If you look at kingsnake its dying, Its so seperated up, that there are few hits in any one area.

These forums require controversy to keep people interested.

Of course they are indeed about the keeping of these wonderful animals in captivity, but they need to be fun and interesting.

Seeing the same thing over and over and over, Is not all that interesting and not all that much fun.

What is worth discussion is, the husbandry it takes to keep all these animals in captivity, is exactly the same. So why is it split up???

This is a kingsnake forum, it should include all kingsnakes.

If not then maybe they should seperate Fla king morphs to its own forum, and Goins to its own, and poway kings get their own too.

Sorry getting carried away. Besides, half of the babies from that cross are kingsnakes, but which half, or half of each snake, again which half. hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Ah, come on, Frank, chill!!!! I will in no way tell anybody they should or should not create hybrids. People are going to do what they are going to do. If that guy is really serious and wants to feed a Mole King to an Indigo that is his business. I don't know if Kingsnake is dying. I do know that controversy/conflict isn't always bad. In fact often only through stirring things up occasionally does growth sometimes take place. All I was saying is that he might want to take his excitement over to the Hybrid Forum. He is much less likely to get flamed there!!!! I really think there are more important things we could be arguing about/discussing here instead of "beating the dead horse" (thanks Doug!)of Hybrids. I choose not to produce them. But what anyone else does is up to them. And I'm not going to change anyone else, nor do I feel the need to justify my view or get others to agree with me. BTW--I still remember a night in the early eighties, 30 yrs. or so ago, at the San Diego Zoo, when you and Applegate did a slide program on the breeding of Kings and I oohed and ahhed with everyone else over your slides of Hybrids!!!!!Imagine that!!!LOL

I agree with you cooney, hybrids are pretty great and deserve a second chance and people shouldn't hate them and happen to like them. Somebody once said that its because of a sense of wonder and he's right. And if I actually thought an indigo would eat a king snake I would never try to make them mate. fr is right too.

Hi Pat, I didn't say you said not to do it, others did that for you. hahahahahahaha

My reply was about having a larger base of keepers on this forum.

If you actually look at it, you know, third person. Its almost a Fla king forum only. All else gets run out. Either by force, or by lack of interest.

I personally know that one. As for some reason I am not a Fla king fan. Something I ate when I was little caused that, hahahahahahahaha

Actually you were part of that. As a youth, you and I hunted cal kings. They were and are my love. I then moved to Fla and found Fla kings, including goins/mearns and easterns. Well I liked some easterns, only because they looked like Cal kings. hahahahahahahahaha

While I do love all kings, and extensively worked with montane kings, in their habitat. Cal kings are my "first love"

I say that because each one of us has such influences. Yet, we are a group because of the work "kingsnake".

About Hybrids, the more we investigate, the more we see that hybrids are very common in nature. Common being relative. As Joe Forks mentioned.

Its actually part of what we do. About those talks and my early work with crosses. To me, what they produced was not important, it was that they did produce that was.

In that day, they were not suppose to have the physical and behavioral ability to reproduce. Which is why they were diferent species. Physical equals, structure and genetics.

Yet they did and did so very easily. Which told me, they were not so distant, then hybrids, different genus were crossed, it showed that colubrids were not so different from eachother.

We need to realize that the only WALLS concerning this are WALLS we make, nature does have walls, but they are different walls and do have holes in them.

This crap about crosses and hybrids is all about religion, not science. Religion meaning "blind faith" not about god.

So what you get here is, attacking the other religion, even if the central part is KINGSNAKES.

So why is Kruze here, he is a religious Zonata fan, or Jl, a religious thayeri fan, gone crazy and includes all manner of other religions. We should at least kick out the thayeri part, there is another forum for that. Or pyro man, get out, you have your own forum. Should I go on?

The point is, two types of kingsnakes crossing, does not turn them into something else. They are not different then two or more MORPHS.

Even more interesting is, within their religion, they have natural intergrades, you know the mix of two types, hahahahahahahahaha

Again, I went to far, but please understand, its all about entertainment.

Frank,
I like all Getula but especially Cals. and Splendida. And I still like Aberrants the best out of the Cals. Seeing that post on Temecula brought back lots of memories. On our way back from Arizona one time we stopped at that abandoned stock yard place (it's gone now !!!). You chose a sheet of plywood to flip while I flipped a 6' 2"x6". You found a huge female banded King and I found a Gopher. Flipped a whole lot of Gophers and Kings in Temecula 40 years ago. I still have a polaroid of an Aberrant from there I caught in '68. But I digress. I think the forum goes in cycles. A few years ago Easterns dominated. We also had Splendidas for awhile until Todd disappeared. But Shores was involved and Forks was seen more often. Then there was a spate of Speckleds, especially when Stevens got his white sides going. And for a few months Mex. Blks. had their time. Actually I find quite a bit of diversity in what shows up. And, as to my other interests (Pits, Corns, and Garters) I frequent those forums. I even go occasionally to that big Lizard forum. What's it called?? Varanids I think!!!!LOL. I can't disagree about certain species fanatics running around. Jerry and his Zonata and Ranier and his Brooksi. But I will defend John Lassiter. Yes, his favorites are Thayeri and Mex. Mex. But he has some lizards(Mex. Alligators) to die for and, good Lord, he even has a gopher!!! He can't be too off LOL. I am more concerned at what will disappear because we seem to be losing folks faster than gaining them. Well, that's more than $0.02!!!!

Pat,.....yes, it is sort of baffling how some folks show up and post here for a long while very adamantly, then seem to disappear into the woodwork and you never hear from them ever again. The forums definitely seem to go in cycles, and turn-over to a totally different crowd over time, as does the hobby as a whole too. I am all over the place on the forums, as I have LOTS of other interests as well. Corns, kings, milks, ratsnakes, the "what is it?" forum to identify snakes, etc...

Even though I might have only a few specimens of one type or another, or even none of a particular species/ssp., I still have deep interests and appreciation for many other types of snakes ou there, regardless of whether or not I own them at the present time. As of the past 20 years, my main focus has mostly been milks, kings, and a few types of ratsnakes, many types of corns years ago too, but over the course of 44 years I have owned all sorts of different types of snakes, and still can appreciate them and am interested in keeping up with the latest regarding many of them. Some more than others of course...LOL!. Heck, I just recently gave a pair of two huge Boa constrictors away because they just no longer fit into my collection/breeding plans here. The most important part was their well-being where they will be appreciated and well-cared for. I donated an almost 14 foot Burmese python to Metro zoo in Miami/Dade around 1985 where he was used in a big exhibit, then later went on to be used in breeding programs with other zoos in the country. Gosh, I bought that thing as a 20" hatchling in early 1977 from a mall pet store..LOL!, It was like $80 dollars which was BIG-TIME bucks back then..

Here is an old photo of him after I donated him to the zoo, then went back months later as a visitor to see how he was doing and take a quick photo for old times sake.

It's funny how personal tastes in things change over time. I would never think of owning a big Burm now, but it seemed "cool" to have it way back then. The snake and I were on that old TV show "PM Magazine" with anchors Katrina Daniels, and Jimmy Cefalo(of the Miami Dolphins).

Anyway, rock on with the snakes people!..

~Doug

My old roommate(and still good fishing friend) that I have known since third grade here in 1985-86 holding him in our apartment JUST before he went to the zoo.

"Junior" at Metro Zoo in his new home(1986)..........

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

Doug--At one time you said we had a lot in common. I guess so. My first bought snake was a 10 foot Burm I bought from a Herper headed for Nam in '67. I still carry a scar from a love nip on my right hand. I Still have a bad Polaroid of FR and I holding a 12 foot Retic. in my parents living room. I guess I was one of the best customers Hormosa Reptiles had at the time.

Pat

Oops!!! My bad!!!! That was suppose to Hermosa Beach Reptiles. I believe the owner's name was Ray Folsum.

Pat

I think you were right the first time, it was Hermosa Reptiles.
Anyone know what ever became of Ray Folsome and his wife Sweetie?
I too have fond memories of there and Western Zoological in Monrovia. Did some great trading after returning from my Mexico collecting trips.
As was said - The good old days - if only I could turn back the clock for a while!

theOLDherper
Pete

Yeah, that is too funny Pat!

It's fun to think of fond "back in the day" snake memories now and then. Probably my most vivid distant snake memories are of bringing big Indigos to my third to fifth grade "show & tell" sessions back in the late 60's early 70's..LOL!!

One of the pet stores (Dealy's Aquarium) in my neighborhood was like a virtual "dream land" for me and my friends back then.

I will never forget the 50 lb. Ceylonese python (P.m.pimbura) that was there amongst other neat stuff. As you know, that stuff was quite exotic to see back in those days.

Wish I still had a couple descendants of the nice yellow EXTREMELY speckled southern Miami/Dade locale floridana my mom got for me from some people she new in Homestead back then too...*sniffle-sniffle*

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

i worked at Hermosa Reptile and wild animal exchange, hahahahahaha They had an 8 foot eastern king. hahahahaha They had some really big animals.

I don't know if that snake was 8 foot but it was really big, as in very close.

They use to get four foot zonatas all the time. From some guy in central Cali.

Ray was a cargo plane pilot, and brought back animals from all over the world, including australia.

Speaking of prices. My high school girlfriend, hot I tell you. Was going to buy me a burmese for my birthday(1966). For $50.

We went to pick it up, and in the cage next to the baby burms was a whole clutch of baby amazon emeralds, for $18 each.

Not wanting to seem rude, I gladly excepted my birthday present, went home and first thing the next day shot over to get some emeralds, THEY WERE GONE. Which is most likely why I will never be nice again. So there.

i also worked at the metro zoo, as they were building it and there are stories there as well. hmmmmmmmmmm very good times.

Greenrats can be mean too. haahahahahahahahahaha

As I remember it, every "girlfriend" of yours I ever met was Hot!!!!! Shields was exactly the same!!!! You Wrestlers had it all over us Football players--at least us linemen!!!!!!LOL

Pat, this last year, Shields was inducted into the NCAA wrestling hall of fame.

We go to the NCAA finals most every year, and I did this year and will next year as well.

I talk to him all the time and we often talk about herping.

Holy CRAP!!....Amazon BASIN Emerald's for $18 bucks!!??

If that's the case, that was a deal of the century for sure!

Now for your viewing pleasure, two older kids from my neighborhood came over to my house around 1970, and wanted to sell me a MONSTER 8-1/2 plus foot Indigo for a mere.............................get this.....................................EIGHT FREAKIN DOLLARS!!!

Downside of the story is I didn't have it, and my mom wouldn't work with me on it because I wasn't doing so well with school grades....ARRRGH!!!!

Had to watch those guys walk off into the sunset with THE BIGGEST Indigo I have ever seen in my entire LIFE!!

That huge beast's head was as wide as a freakin 2 x 4!!..

As a kid, that was probably one of the most disappointing memories of my entire childhood..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

That spot was magic. If you remember, I dreamed that spot.

When I moved to Fla. I stopped there on the way, I found a huge female perfect striped.

Which became part of many of the morphs in the hobby today.

About twentyfive years ago, another friend that use to hunt that area, and I did a, for olde times sake trip in that area.

In Aberhill, I found a striped king, then at that spot, I found a striped all the way longnose and a striped gopher. Then I flipped a boa, a striped racer and a two striped garder. What a striped day. how funny.

Anyway, its my point, these kingsnake forums are too splintered, and losing interest. Like you, most of us that have been here awhile, have a broader area of interest. Which is why I rarely come here. We have our own monitor forum, but we allow most anything thats about real reptiles.

ALso I still have that goofy abberent gophersnake, that hypo, abberent thats unlike any I have seen. Its pretty as ever and needs to find a mate.

Two weeks ago, I found a super high yellow totally out of hand normal patterned gopher, but it turned out to be the same sex. Oh well. Whats funny is, when I found that abberent, I had found two super abberents in two nights. Have seen another since. hahahahahahahahahaha oh well.

Ha........thanks for the kind words Pat and thanks for the cool herp stories.

You've also summed up the last decade of this forum very well.........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

"bored, huh?"

...............exactly

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRHK0K2ii6Q&feature=related
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Jerry Kruse

UPDATED!
www.zonatas.com

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML-slx-B9oU&feature=related
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Jerry Kruse

UPDATED!
www.zonatas.com

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

oh man those videos are great guys! lol! thanks for all the help! and advice.

When you mix the colors of the rainbow you get grey...I think the curiosity part is fine and dandy...but ACTUALLY muddling genes like that seems sooooo wrong...I cant help but wonder at the FUTURE consequences. They dont inbreed in the wild for a reason. But perhaps when the kingsnake/milksnake is as hybrid as the domestic dog, then those who bred locality animals and maintained the natural species(and morphs)will benefit, a purebred German Shephard is MUCH pricier then a mix after all. Just a thought to the future. And an interesting future its going to be, with hybrids like those turning up....I imagine they would be some very interesting babies! Goodluck nonetheless.

>>When you mix the colors of the rainbow you get grey...I think the curiosity part is fine and dandy...but ACTUALLY muddling genes like that seems sooooo wrong...I cant help but wonder at the FUTURE consequences. They dont inbreed in the wild for a reason. But perhaps when the kingsnake/milksnake is as hybrid as the domestic dog, then those who bred locality animals and maintained the natural species(and morphs)will benefit, a purebred German Shephard is MUCH pricier then a mix after all. Just a thought to the future. And an interesting future its going to be, with hybrids like those turning up....I imagine they would be some very interesting babies! Goodluck nonetheless.

LOL....what makes up a German Shepard????
No domestic dogs are pure......Wolves, Jackals, Coyotes, Dingos....are the purest canines we can see at this date in time......

Plus.....different species do hybridize in the wild.....Getula with Pitouphis always comes to mind on the west coast.....

But....I do not condone it in hobbyists' snake rooms as they will get misrepresented down the line somehow....To each their own though........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

If they inbreed in the wild its not remotely comparable to the unnatural controllable event of humans breeding snakes. And its not something that happens often, otherwise nature would be going in the same direction of this hobby. And 'pure breed' dogs are bred together to keep a gene strong, as are kings and boas and so on. Dogs were also bred for PURPOSES(hunting, guarding, herding), as opposed to'what to random snakes can I breed to get something cool.' People are creatures who value what they believe is PURE in what ever form. This is a fine example of human ignorance. In 1000 years the GSD will probably still be a valued, carefully bred dog. Not so for the kings. Such a shame, the ignorance.

>>If they inbreed in the wild its not remotely comparable to the unnatural controllable event of humans breeding snakes. And its not something that happens often, otherwise nature would be going in the same direction of this hobby. And 'pure breed' dogs are bred together to keep a gene strong, as are kings and boas and so on. Dogs were also bred for PURPOSES(hunting, guarding, herding), as opposed to'what to random snakes can I breed to get something cool.' People are creatures who value what they believe is PURE in what ever form. This is a fine example of human ignorance. In 1000 years the GSD will probably still be a valued, carefully bred dog. Not so for the kings. Such a shame, the ignorance.

Snakekate.......Nature has gone in that direction.....long before we were here......We are seeing a tiny glimpse of what the snakes are now.....they will change.....evolve.......

Beef Cows, Hunting Dogs and Herding dogs were all hybridized to get what we have now. Breeders did this....Not nature..............Just like some folks are doing with snakes......You need to compare apples to apples not oranges.....

And.....I hope you weren't calling me ignorant......LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Lol, not you personally, but I do believe people who 'hybreed'(if thats a word) are ignorant(in a sense). We have mussed with this planet enough, our 'domestic animals' are sad excuses for there wilder cousins. I really don't want to see our unique, beautiful snakes go that direction. They are AMAZING creatures that got that way on there own, And I hope my kids kids can catch Garter snakes as I did, not some crazy hybrid ribbon/garter that escaped somebodies lab lol. But as you said, to each his own, although I am praying such hybrids never make it to the wild!

>>Lol, not you personally, but I do believe people who 'hybreed'(if thats a word) are ignorant(in a sense). We have mussed with this planet enough, our 'domestic animals' are sad excuses for there wilder cousins. I really don't want to see our unique, beautiful snakes go that direction. They are AMAZING creatures that got that way on there own, And I hope my kids kids can catch Garter snakes as I did, not some crazy hybrid ribbon/garter that escaped somebodies lab lol. But as you said, to each his own, although I am praying such hybrids never make it to the wild!

I tend to agree with all of that.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

enough of the SPEWING of ignorance...
hybrids DO OCCUR in the wild and have been documented with MANY sp./ssp. this definatively shows CLOSE relationship. also captive pairings are as UNNATURAL as captive hybrids even wild caught under the same board or area may not have bred when WE(people) decide its unnatural wether same sp./ssp or not and really for snakes that are destined to live their lives in a box what does it matter?
now as to the escape/displaced cb hybrids tainting or ruing wild lines...really?...ok doubtful the cb would survive predation,food,etc. but for giggles lets say it/they did procreate, it/they would be absorbed undesireable traits would die. if i take a cup of red dye out into the ocean does it change the color of the ocean?
as for the lil douggy bought a snake to breed and found it wasnt a pure snake!?!!? are you for real??? well ok perhaps lil douggy shoulda done a lil research on the sp./ssp he was wanting first off along with research where his "stock" came from! this was always such a lame arguement...
geez i understand not liking hybrids but the hating on folks who have and do is pretty lame. ive worked with, studied and bred snakes for close to 30yrs. have locality and other projects and am certainly NOT ignorant when it comes to snakes. do i think purist are ignorant?... NO!!! i think ultimately locality breeding is just a justifiable means/reason for removing them from the wild anyway, i for one feel once thats done they are DEAD anyway! SO!?!?. i also feel taxonomy is WAY off base. these are MY opinions that ive based on MY experience. i am telling noone they are wrong or i am right just stating my views and having fun with my snakes.
,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

No one is ignorant here.....
I know as do many others here that hybrids occur in the wild.....

So wtf is the point of that reply?
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

i actually tried to make several points, mainly just expressing my point of view on the matter thats "wtf" it is/was and shall be,,,,,,,,thomas
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

>>i actually tried to make several points, mainly just expressing my point of view on the matter thats "wtf" it is/was and shall be.

O.........I...........C.............
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Its bad enough some people keep them in boxes, but to take it THAT far, IS human ignorance. WE KNOW BETTER, they do not. Once again, wild hybrids are NATURAL, and occur for a reason. Our Hybrids are on a whim. A SELFISH whim, usually over MONEY. Where I am from, if I tried to sell a hybrid....lets say just bring the topic up is a joke. Good luck to hybrid breeders, PLEASE AT LEAST BE RESPONSIBLE, and prevent them from getting in to natural populations.

Everyone is worried the Cal king or milksnake they buy it will be muddied up. LOL!
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www.Bluerosy.com

"Everyone is worried the Cal king or milksnake they buy it will be muddied up. LOL!"

Trying to prevent MORE "muddiness" is the actual point to all this. My point anyway. LOL!
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

Terms like "muddied" "mutts" ect are just ridiculous. A $25. Cal king or Milksmnakes is improved by adding some color to an already muddied up animal with nefarious backround.
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www.Bluerosy.com

"A $25. Cal king or Milksmnakes is improved by adding some color to an already muddied up animal with nefarious backround"

So if there were some L.t.dixoni available in this country, the very first order would be to "improve" them with hybridization, right?

HAHAHAA!!

Oh, but of course ONLY after they were around for a few years and the price came down from them being more common, right?...then would be the time to goof them all up I guess and make them more "colorful", huh?..LMFAO!!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

" Oh, but of course ONLY after they were around for a few years and the price came down from them being more common, right?...then would be the time to goof them all up I guess and make them more "colorful", huh?..LMFAO!! "

Exactly! You gotta love pure intentions that show the " love and respect " being given to snakes with " needed improvement! " LOL!!!

People who really care about the hobby see thru this nonsense.
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Genesis 1:1

Okay...Here's a disclaimer for Thomas....
I don't think people who hybridize are ignorant......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I have a few projects in the works right now including s. florida mole king x eastern indigo.
Say it ain't so, Joe!

Eastern Indigos should never be crossed with anything ever! If you are so fortunate as to have Eastern Indigos keep the line pure. These are endangered species, unlike most of the lampropeltis.

Also, Indigos can be tricky to breed, even to their own kind:
www.redtailboa.net/forums/colubrid/65927-risk-breeding-indigos.html

I was going to breed Mus musculus x sceloporus occidentalis to get lizard scented pinkies but for some unknown reason they didn't like each other.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

"Say it ain't so, Joe!"

It ain't so, Bob.........

He is talking out of his a#* with the alleged Indigo x mole king "project in the making". It ain't happening.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

if you could make THAT hybrid work I'd be a bulk customer! and I'd have racks of night snakes and long noses
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
1.3 African House Snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
1 corn snake
4.3 Florida Kings
2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
1 Argentine boa
1 Texas Rat Snake
1 checkered garter snake

I doubt I'm gonna do it afterall. The guys told me it wouldn't be a good match and I respect that they know so I changed my mind but I still plan to get one as soon as they come down in price for a display animal-SWEEEEEET!!!!!!

You reminded me of a show I saw once that said, if you take a leopard frog from it's extreme west rang, and one from it's far east range they wouild not breed together. But each of the neighboring frogs would breed with each other all the way across the US. I found that interesting.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

You reminded me of a show I saw once that said, if you take a leopard frog from it's extreme west rang, and one from it's far east range they wouild not breed together. But each of the neighboring frogs would breed with each other all the way across the US. I found that interesting.
Graduated intergrades, sort of.

My next project is Felis catus x Pituophis catenifer sayi, so I can get a cat that will shed all in one piece instead of all over the furniture, and a snake that will not need a heater to stay warm. They both eat mice and they both hiss, so I don't see why this would not work.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com