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Question: Super Ghost & Anery Jungles.

demonmyst May 22, 2011 07:38 AM

Super Hypo x Anery, what will be produced? People are telling me for any type of ghost, it has to be a het anery hypo. I didn't think this was needed.

My assumption was Super Hypo x Anery= Super Ghost...because Hypo x Anery= Ghost.

Jungle het Anery x Anery
Will that produce Anery Jungles?
Just double checking...some people are confusing me, I want to be sure my project is accurate since I'm new to boa morphs.

Thanks again for the help Kingsnake. :]

Replies (9)

BoaGal May 22, 2011 08:43 AM

Super hypo x anery would produce a litter of all normal hypos (no supers), het for anery (double het ghost). To get a super ghost, both parents would have to have the hypo gene and the anery gene. Because anery is recessive, like albino. And to have a super form of the hypo you also need 2 hypo genes. Otherwise, it would just be a normal hypo.

Hope I didn't confuse you! Here is a page I referenced a lot when starting out: http://www.freewebs.com/chadhornereptiles/boagenetics.htm

Jungle het anery x anery would produce jungle anerys, yes.
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Rachel Squier
"The more we live by our intellect, the less we understand the meaning of life." -Leo Tolstoy

Amp May 22, 2011 08:57 AM

You were close on the ghost part. Ghost = anery hypo, not anery x hypo. Anery x hypo will produce 100% double hets for ghost/super-ghosts. Anery is a recessive trait (just like albinism), which means you need 2 anery genes (1 from each parent), in order to see it. So to produce ghost boas, both parents need to at least be het anery (carrying 1 gene), and one of them needs to also be a hypo. Breeding DH-ghost (hypo anery) x DH ghost, will give you 1/8 odds of producing ghosts, and 1/16 odds of producing super ghosts.

You are correct with your jungle idea. Jungle het anery x anery will yield 25% normal (100% het for anery), 25% jungle (100 % het for anery), 25% anery (visual), and 25% anery jungles (visual).

I hope this helps. Best of luck with your breeding plans.

Anthony-

Amp May 22, 2011 09:00 AM

>>>Ghost = anery hypo, not anery x hypo.

Amp May 22, 2011 09:04 AM

I edited my last post and the computer didn't record everything I typed. At the same time Boa-gal got the correct information to you. Just follow what she said.

My original post shouldn't have read:
Ghost = anery hypo, not anery x hypo.

It should have said:
Ghost = anery " " hypo, not anery x hypo.

-Anthony

patoquack May 22, 2011 09:01 AM

here's my 2 cents worth..
i hope my response hits the general theme of you questions.

a ghost is a hypo anery. to produce a ghost, you basically need the same ingredients that you would need to produce an anery - but with the hypo gene mixed into the combo somewhere.

het anery X het anery can produce aneries
anery X het anery better chace of producing aneries
anery X anery best chances of producing aneries

so now if you want ghosts.. you just need to have the hypo gene.

hypo het anery (also referred to as double het ghost) X het anery can produce ghosts
ghost (hypo anery) X het anery better chances of producing ghosts
ghost X anery will likely get you some ghosts
ghost X ghost.. ghosts

also, the rules of genetics allow you to predict the likelyhood of the breeding outcomes, but I'm not including that info in this response.

a super ghost is a super hypo anery..
so if you are using two hypos to produce your ghosts - then you have a chance of producing super ghosts.. such as..

hypo het anery X hypo het anery - could produce an anery that is also a super hypo (super ghost)

it all works the same if you want to produce jungle ghosts or jungle aneries.. just add in the jungle gene.

jungle het anery X anery can produce jungle aneries

hypo jungle het anery X hypo het anery could produce jungle ghosts.. or even jungle super ghosts

jungle ghost X ghost could produce jungle super ghosts (or maybe you would call that a super ghost jungle.. same thing, different way of saying it)

in general, the more traits and genes you have in the breeding combinations decreases the likelhood of hitting all of the genes in one baby boa..

good luck

demonmyst May 22, 2011 09:42 AM

Thanks for all of the replies.

I'm really excited at my attempt on the Jungle Anery visuals! I wanna make some ghosts though too...I know what I need now. Pretty crazy projects for my first year breeding....but I think I will be successful.

So, the lists that say hypo x anery are wrong. That's useful. lol.

I figured everything out once that was said. I should really read the WHOLE thing on genetics, been lazy..I'll start that after this post.

I think I have one last question! :]

Super hypo het anery x Anery

Can the super hold its super by itself (producing super ghost) or does it need to be hypo het anery on each side no matter what?

That's the best way I can put it...sorry if I'm confusing.

Amp May 22, 2011 03:46 PM

Super ghosts need to have a hypo gene from each parent. Each parent must be at least a double het for ghost.

Good luck.

Anthony-

demonmyst May 22, 2011 10:32 PM

Thanks for the info. Weird how the super doesn't carry over, but makes semse.

natsamjosh May 23, 2011 09:56 AM

>>Thanks for the info. Weird how the super doesn't carry over, but makes semse.

"Super" simply means that both alleles are the hypo mutation. It gets a little confusing since hypo is not recessive like many other mutations.

For me, it helps to do the basic Punnett square thing. Getting back to your original post (ie, Super hypo x anery), you can
isolate the traits to figure out what the offspring will be.

For the Hypo trait, one parent would be homozygous for hypo, the other normal:

| H | H
----------------
h | Hh | Hh
| |
h | Hh | Hh

So all the offspring would be "hypo" or "normal hypo", which means one allele is the hypo mutation. Since hypo is not recessive (ie, some level of dominance), the snake will be visually hypo to some extent, even though it is heterozygous.

For the anery trait:

| A | A
----------------
a | Aa | Aa
| |
a | Aa | Aa

So for the anery trait, again all offspring will be heterozygouos. Since Anery is recessive, though, the offspring will look normal (ie, no visual signs of anerythrism.)

So all offspring will be het for hypo (which is called Hypo or "normal hypo" and het for anery. Which I think would also be called het for ghost.

I'll stop here before I confuse myself...

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