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These are some of my holdbacks from 2010. Fed them today and took some pics.

Kerby...

Coral Ghost Cal King

Coral Ghost Cal King

Hypo Cal King - love the eyes!

Ghost Cal King (dark phase)

Ghost Cal King light phase)

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All real nice. I do like those eyes on the hypo.

--Dennis

Some Killer animals there Kerby, just a quick question what is the genetic difference between the light and dark Ghost phase animals. Is the dark phase have hypermelanistic in it?
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Jimmy Tintle

Both are Ghost/Palomar, a single recessive gene. The dark Ghost is also possible het albino and possible het hypomelanistic and came from clutch #9 last year. The parents are triple hets (ghost, albino, hypomelanistic). Here are pictures of the parents.

and the clutch pic:

The light colored Ghost is het albino and possible het hypermelanistic and came from clutch #7 last year. The dad is an Albino, het ghost and the mother is a double het (Ghost & Hypermelanistic). Here are pictures of the parents.

and the clutch pic:

Kerby...
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Really like that light ghost at the bottom Kerby. Very cool extremely reduced head coloration going on there too!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

That is why I kept it, although it is a male. I produced a few Ghosts last year and we shall see what pops out this year. This year I also bred my double hets (Lavender & Ghost)....so hopefully I will get lucky like last year on my double hets (Hypo & Ghost) that produced the 1.1 Coral Ghosts.

In the mean time a lot of Ghosts that are hets and possible hets for a lot of stuff.

Kerby...
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Awesome snakes Kerby! I love the Ghosts and the Coral Ghosts are something else.
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles
www.kingpinreptiles.com

It is hard to see from the pics but the Coral Ghosts have a lot of other colors going, pink, purple, etc.... Will see what happens as they get older. And to see if I produce some more this year.

Kerby...
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Oh yeah thos are some amazing morhps!!! Calli kings are pretty great!!!!! They have really gotten popular latly and there's a lot of people working with them and such.
http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1891790,1891790

**They have really gotten popular latly and there's a lot of people working with them and such.**

Only mine aren't hybrids......just california kingsnakes......and I have been working on the different cal king genes for awhile now.

Kerby...
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Oh yeah, those are unlike any calli king snakes i've ever seen. there amazing.

Morph = genetic mutation, and/or distinct natural variation, NOT a hybrid/cross as you are always trying to promote here.................Jeff..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

WHAT-EV. Im not jeff and i dont try to promote anything here. thats not even my name lol!

Its never ending Doug.
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Gerard
www.livebaitclip.com

Yeah, this hobby in many aspects has gotten to be like going out into the everglades in the middle of the summer at night-time, and trying to battle mosquitos with a single fly swatter, Gerard.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

They dont bother me at all. Horseflys sting but I go fishing in West lake in the middle of the summer and dont have any problems. Now the others never seem to stop. Those ghost Cal Kings are something though. I cant stop looking at them.
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Gerard
www.livebaitclip.com
"Stupid people do stupid things. Smart people out smart each other and then themselfs" System

Yeah, what I really like about that particular light ghost specimen, is not only the dorsal pattern is very unusual, but it is also so reduced melanin-wise that it's head is almost completely void of color as well. Which of course is why Kerby likes it alot too. I like when ghosts of any type really display the hypomelanism feature very noticeably.

Oh!,.....and of course the fact that they are NOT hybrids or subspecific crosses..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

REALLY Cool Stuff!

What are the coral ghost comprised of? (lavender? Hypo?)

I really like that "dark Ghost" ... Would you consider it a "Mosaic Ghost" ?

~ZF

The Coral Ghost is displaying both the Hypo and Ghost/Palomar gene at the same time. This year I am breeding other double hets (Ghost & Lavender) and they should be different if I get that 1/16.

Here is a picture of the Hypo male breeding with the female Ghost (het albino), thus producing the parents of the Coral Ghosts.

Mosaic Ghosts.......... it does look it would fit that title, but it is just an aberrancy and until I can produce them with predictability and consistency, then I'm not going to label them as such. But I will keep that name in mind if the projects develops into that.

Kerby...

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Wait a mintue! i just "realized" what you wrote! the corals are Ghost-Hypo 2x HomoZ??? that's soooooo strange to me seeing how dark those morphs are individually!? It's be super weird if the lavender gene did the opposite... i can't wait!

~ZF

Since my original female ghost was 100% het for albino, there was always the possibility that any of the offspring (double het ghost x hypo) were also het for albino. And some are proving to be by breeding thus being triple hets (ghost, hypo and albino). Now I know for sure that the female Coral Ghost (hypo ghost) last year came from triple het parents (ghost, hypo and albino), so my first thought was that the first Coral Ghost was displaying all three recessive genes at the same time (ghost, hypo and albino), but what were the odds of that? 1 in 64? Here is the clutch picture:

Then when the second Coral Ghost (hypo ghost) hatched out, there were no albinos in the clutch and I just assumed that now the Coral Ghosts were just displaying two recessive genes (ghost & hypo). I guess it is possible that the parents of the second Coral Ghost are also triple hets (ghost, hypo and albino) instead of them being double hets (ghost and hypo). Here is the clutch picture of the second Coral ghost:

Hope this makes sense.

Kerby...
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oops on the html, here is the pic of the second Coral Ghost clutch.

Kerby...

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~ZF

O.M.G.!! what are those kings?

These are High white Anerythristics Floridana which aren't full grown so i hope they get whiter!

~ZF

Yeah, Zenny, I totally want some of those!
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Hey Mike,

Hopefully they'll go next season! I'll be pluging in some other morphs to clean up the white... hopefully it turns out how i "drew it up"

~Z

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Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

LOL @ "White Hot" i think it's a funny name since they are from a "Flame" line.

~Z

Man I like those alot! White hot is the first thing I thought when I saw them, lol! Post updates as they grow.
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Jorge Sierra

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So Flame Line anery's are THAT white? And is this the result of many breedings to get these, or the initial?

So Flame Line anery's are THAT white?

Yes

And is this the result of many breedings to get these, or the initial?

Short story: My buddy Tom Agosta popped out two anerys (1.1) that were hi-white from some Fengya line "Flames" Kept the pair... bred them producing 1.2 hi-white Anerys and 0.2 Snows. I scored all but one of the snows and sold one of the Anerys.

The F2 offspring show less yellow than the F1's (except the one i sold which is still showing yellow but she's just as light as the ones i kept)

Original Fengya "Flame"

F1 Anery Breeder male (sire to my snakes)

F2 Anery Male (hatchling)

F2 Anery Female (hatcling)

Sold F2 Anery Female (adult): After seeing this pic i wish i kept her! i didn't like the yellow initially but it looks cool!

F2 Snow Female (hatchling)

F2 Snow Female (sub-adult)

~ZF

Very interesting. I never get tired of hearing the origins of certain traits and lines. Thanks for the info...and beautiful snakes man! They remind me of bone whites.

-Micah

~ZF

Te Axantism is Present in only one animal.........C

They aren't axanthic... they have no axanthic in them what so ever actually.

These express the same gene other Anery Floridana they are just super clean. the Anery mutation floridana act just as the name suggests... it suppresses red/orange pigments but it doesn't affect yellow pigments,

The male is Black & bone white the female is black & Creme (showing some yellow... and cleaner than the male)... a Snow sibling also displays some yellow pigments (very little). I sold the other anery female sibling i had because she showed LOTS of yellow which is not the look i'm going for (hope to breed it out completely actually).

Zenny the one I got from you not near as white as those two but she did lay 8 very white eggs for me.

That's pretty cool!... i'd love to see her! What'd you pair her with? (shoot me an email if you don't wanna share here)

~Z

How can I get a pair of those light phase ghost. Those are amazing!!!
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Gerard
www.livebaitclip.com
"Stupid people do stupid things. Smart people out smart each other and then themselfs" System

"Oh yeah, those are unlike any calli king snakes i've ever seen. there amazing." lol! I said the same thing thing too! lol!

We will see what pops out this year. All I have left from last year is 3.1 regular looking Ghosts.

Kerby...
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Great looking kings, Kerby! Any photo's of an adult hypo like the juvi you have here? Is that lavender or T Albino?

Here is the hypo with a female lavender from 2007. It is his hypo gene that I am using but since I am breeding him with other stuff the babies are aberrant, but it is the same gene. The eyes give it away.

Kerby...

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Hey what aver happened with those guys you produced that had the bright orange on the belly?

He was one of the snakes that left in my attempt at reducing how many snakes I want. Last year he was the father of 4 clutches (# 3,4,7,21).

Kerby...

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So cool and thats just one species. Thats amazing!
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Gerard
www.livebaitclip.com
"Stupid people do stupid things. Smart people out smart each other and then themselfs" System