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Just came and now incubating...Now its my turn to stress for 80 days...lol 1st pic she wasnt done, got 13 total.

The mama snake with her new clutch is always a joy to see! 13 eggs seems a lot for a alterna; I thought they were more like pyros with small clutches...but then I don't know much about these beautiful alternas, except I wish I had some!
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

13 is prob more than average. She layed 11 last year which surprised me too, but she was huge this year. Love the crickets! are the lizards pets or for scenting pinks when pyros hatch? I have lizard muchin crickets too for possible scenting down the road...Dave.

The lizards are pets. I have a store of frozen lizards that the cats have killed (hate that!) which I use for scenting by making a lizard tea.
I have an adult female lizard who is gravid now. Her tiny eggs in the incubator with the great big snake eggs will be a hoot! Fortunately none of the clutches will be hatching at the same time! LOL!
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Please be careful about that. Some SNAKES will even eat lizards and such. And EGG EATING SNAKES will even eat on eggs. Just be sure to excise comon sense. Good Luck!!! And nice pictures n that other post you posted a while back ago! Thanks! :}. Here's a picure of my BULL SNAKE:

I wonder why they got named "BULL"snakes...? Who came up with that and why?
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www.Bluerosy.com

Does anyone interested in hybrids have, or know where I can get, detailed information on cross breeding kings with corns?

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They originally got the common name from the way they often puff up with air and hiss loudly when disturbed.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

Oh yeah me too! I wonder that stuff to. And what about CORN SNAKES and such? And what about MOLE SNAKES and PINE SNAKES, and RUBBER BOAS when those hardly even look rubber or like bOAS and CHILDRENS BOAS?

........and the imfamous one-eyed wonder worm and such..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

........and the imfamous one-eyed wonder worm and such..
A subspecies of the not always so secretive trouser snake?
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

So they fill up with air and empty noise and make empty threats when irate? Shouldn't they be Congressional Snakes then?
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
1.3 African House Snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
1 corn snake
4.3 Florida Kings
2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
1 Argentine boa
1 Texas Rat Snake
1 checkered garter snake

Ahh!.....good point!. Definitely lots of hot air and bogus "going through the motions" bluffing there too!..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

And such

......Here is a kangaroo I found chillin' in my back yard watching us play volleyball after a BBQ.

I wanted to poke him with a big stick and such, but thought I better not.

I love all of natures animals and such.

~Doug

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

Is that a BULL KANGAROO?
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Kent

1.1 Hypo (het lavender, striped) cornsnakes, 2010
1.2 Gray-banded kingsnakes, blairs phase, 2008
1.1 Oregon rubber boas, w/c 200?

I think it's a honey badger and such. You know honey badger doesn't care if you hit it with a stick. Honey badger doesn't give a $hit and $uch. You are killing me Doug...hahaha.

"I think it's a honey badger and such. You know honey badger doesn't care if you hit it with a stick. Honey badger doesn't give a $hit and $uch. You are killing me Doug...hahaha."

ONE MORE TIME!~~~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg&feature=youtu.be
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www.Bluerosy.com

Does anyone interested in hybrids have, or know where I can get, detailed information on cross breeding kings with corns?

Oh shes beutiful TREVD!!! Congratulations!!! That's a prety great picture too! Why does it take 80 days to hatch them? I thought thayeiri KINGS SnAKES hatched in like 60 or so day!. But great job anyways! Post some more pitures when they hatch. thanks a lot! :}. I love SNAKE EGGS when they are in a cluster like that! Keep up the good work on those! A BULL SNAKE:

80 days to hatch is just my estimate...most books claim greyband eggs hatch in about 60 days, but my first clutch went 96 days. I was so paranoid after 85-90 days that i was talked into slitting egg to see if alive(STUPID!) We all make mistakes and try to learn from it. I used an inferior incubator one year and lost eggs then too...last years clutch hatched in about 84 days. I use slightly lower incubating temps(79') so it takes a little longer to hatch, but i get healthy, robust babies. The key is a reliable incubator. Dave.

I think the breaking temp is, 84 or 85F, below that, it takes longer, above that it can also take longer.

A friend hatched some blairs at 90F and it took 90days, and the babies were a bit weak, but all lived and ended up fine.

Anyway nice clutch of blairs.

FR, so if the breaking point is 84/85 what temp do you incubate yours at? Method also please just curious?
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Jimmy Tintle

.........I'm a firm believer in slightly cooler target temps of 78-81 as compared to warmer temps with most colubrid eggs. It simply leaves a safer "buffer zone" should anything happen for WHATEVER reason(s)...

The most important thing is tweeking the setup well BEFORE eggs are put in to achieve a nice safe even temp.

Best of luck with the eggs!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

and getting a good incubator. Im using a different one next year....tried using one of those digital cheapies I got on sale and the thing is about as stable as a one legged drunk. Defintely going with a hovabator or something next year. I suspect it's why mine ran so long, nearly 70 days.
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
1.3 African House Snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
1 corn snake
4.3 Florida Kings
2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
1 Argentine boa
1 Texas Rat Snake
1 checkered garter snake

Yeah, many times unless it is a good dependable one, many folks just figure out a decent place up high on a shelf(since heat rises) somewhere in the main house and let it roll. A thermometer set in the same proximity of the egg containers is always a good idea. Another thing would be to set a good digital probe inside WITH the eggs themselves for real monitoring accuracy. I have done it many different ways with a heating pad inside closets, huge water box with aquarium heaters with the egg containers set inside, plain high shelves with no heat, etc...and just using some good common sense is really all it takes most of the time if one thinks about and eliminates possible ways something "might" go wrong before-hand.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

So 78-81. Glad to hear that. That's exactly the range I'm at. I too, have always been a little leary of temps significanly higher than that. I feel like the margin of error is slimmer if something should happen out of my control, for instance a extraordinarily hot day or something. I knew at the same time my incubation will be longer but that's a trade-off I'm willing to make to be on the safe side. But on that note, how much longer? LOL!

Approximately 2 days can be added for every 1�F that the average incubation temperature falls below 80�F (e.g., 70-75 days for Lampropeltis getulus at 75�F)
www.kingsnake.com/colubrid/3.html
I am also using a lower range for my eggs. Keeping them warm enough is no problem but during heat waves I do put a frozen gel pack in the incubator to give the thermostat something to work against. Hatched several clutches of fence lizards this way just fine.
This is my snake egg incubator:

Inside incubator; a lasagna pan with the temp and thermostat probes in with the eggs. Heated with a Zoomed UTH and raised up the space of about an inch with bread racks. When I want to look at the eggs I can see them through the plastic lid of the pan and not have to disturb them any.

styrofoam box

The snake incubator is setting on top of the cricket incubator, which is in a guinea pig cage. The snake incubator is bungeed onto the guinea pig cage so it can't be knocked off by the cats.

Wrapped in a comforter for further insulation.
These two incubators each have different thermostats, as the crickets need 86 F which would harm the snake eggs.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Sweet!
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Gerard
www.livebaitclip.com
"Stupid people do stupid things. Smart people out smart each other and then themselfs" System

Good luck with those! My first female alterna laid 14 6 weeks ago, and my second is due to lay any day.

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Kent

1.1 Hypo (het lavender, striped) cornsnakes, 2010
1.2 Gray-banded kingsnakes, blairs phase, 2008
1.1 Oregon rubber boas, w/c 200?

14 is a huge number of eggs! did you use the same male for both of your females? Love the unknown of just what little ones will look like... Dave.

Yes same mael. I had not intended to put him wiht my smaller female, but she appeared to be ovulating, so I figured it couldn't hurt to try.
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Kent

1.1 Hypo (het lavender, striped) cornsnakes, 2010
1.2 Gray-banded kingsnakes, blairs phase, 2008
1.1 Oregon rubber boas, w/c 200?

Alterna # 2 laid 8 good eggs today. They are tucked away in the incubator. There are at least 2 more so I will pull those tomorrow morning. You are right, it will be fun to see what they all look like.
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Kent

1.1 Hypo (het lavender, striped) cornsnakes, 2010
1.2 Gray-banded kingsnakes, blairs phase, 2008
1.1 Oregon rubber boas, w/c 200?

sounds like 2 nice clutches. please post a pic of the 3 adults when u get a chance too. Dave.

Wow Kent!, that's a nice big pile for alterna.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

that's a pretty alterna Good luck!
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
1.3 African House Snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
1 corn snake
4.3 Florida Kings
2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
1 Argentine boa
1 Texas Rat Snake
1 checkered garter snake

congrats! they look great, good luck w/them

,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

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>>Just came and now incubating...Now its my turn to stress for 80 days...lol 1st pic she wasnt done, got 13 total.
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Congrats, that is a beatoful snake, but didn't you know they won't lay eggs in plastic tubs?
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

I guess ignorance is bliss....but i do worry about eggs sticking to bottom of plastic...

>>I guess ignorance is bliss....but i do worry about eggs sticking to bottom of plastic...

No it's kind of an inside joke. It's been said before that snakes don't like to lay in plastic tubs, and that's why they sometimes lay in water bowls and other places. I've always used plastic nest boxes and Have had like 99% of my snakes lay in them, for as long as I can remember. Strange things can happen under every situation. Good luck with those babies!
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com