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She laid today just before work. Six perfect eggs. Can't wait to see this super! Sorry for the crappy cell phone pics

NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Best of luck hitting the Super.
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Louis Kirkland
Cornerstone Reptiles

Not trying to be a jerk here but are you sure that is a Desert?

Ok, maybe I am just stupid.....
If so, I need more desert education!

SATAN

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I'm too old to play silly games. Pete can verify that animal as I bought her straight from Pete as a subadult in 2008. Call him and ask.

John Greenwood

Sounds about right age wise as I think female deserts just need to be older than 2 or even 3 to lay , I think more like 4 -4 1/2 is more like it. Time will tell if my theory means anything but that's my 2 cents worth on female deserts.

Anthony McCain

I think everyone is confused when you compare the original "desert" on eggs to this pic of what we all know deserts to look like...

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AlanColesReptiles

Variability is what your seeing Alan, like I said the female Desert I had a while back from Pete wasn't nearly as pretty as alot of the classic Deserts but I could still tell she was one anyway, just wasn't as sharp looking.

Here's a good example of how things can look different than the norm. What do you think this is a pic of Alan??? I'll post what she is once I see a reply or two, and this one is Proven as I have hatched what some thought she would not be able to hatch with her already...

Anthony McCain

I'll guess fire or vanilla. Again, thats a guess but since you have proven her out.....you know...
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AlanColesReptiles

Thats my guess for Anthony's animal
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Jeff Benfer
gartersnakemorph.com

.....whirlwind? I will put my neck on the line and bet she in part of a "codominant hypo" type gene.....

I really would like to see more pics of these "deserts" involved in the original post instead of hijacking this thread....lol
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AlanColesReptiles

Actually she isn't a vanilla or whirlwind or a calico. She was an odd import I got from Ian G thru David Vanhouten as an odd imported "special" (not Baker line stuff , Special as in odd import). I thought she was a Yb from day one , at that time very little info was available on what a YB actually even looked like so I went ahead and bought a couple captive bred/captive hatched Yb males from Ian the following year and eventually bred them together and produced an Ivory with this female shown in the pic back in 2005 and have bred her to two other unrelated Yb's since then and each clutch has made at least 1 Ivory. My point here is 85% of the people out there would argue she isn't even a Yb but if she isn't then how do I make Ivories with her each time she is bred to various Yb males! She is a Yb just isn't a classic one is what it means.

Anthony McCain
McCain Reptiles

...back with the original poster. Are we going to see more pics(sire,better lighting etc...) of this Pete Kahl "desert" breeding or is this all we get? I'm personally not convinced.

Thanks for the background on that female Anthony.
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AlanColesReptiles

You wouldn't have got it right even with a belly pic, she isn't classic on her belly either! All stems back to what I said about variability, these snakes are NOT cookie cutter made my friend, end of story !

Do you really think Ian would have sold me that male that proved NOT to be a mojave at all and was instead a phantom type (Mystic line)??? How many snakes do you think Ian has looked over, what does that tell you? Isn't as simple as some may think this all is ! Morphs vary , different "normals" that have other influences do change how things come out sometimes and I have seen that more than just a few times. Some just can see past all that more than others I guess.. I can't say much about that guys female Desert as I haven't ever seen it in person , but I wouldn't be shocked at all if it is a Desert , just a not so pretty one, with other added influences coming from it's non Desert parent "odd normal" as his typical Deserts don't look like that I agree...

Anthony McCain

...guess we will all be producing super deserts from normals this year.... not to mention super desert combos.....
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AlanColesReptiles

have to agree with Kevin on this one....no i don't own one, but have seen plenty in person to know what they look like. that female looks like a light colored normal.

....i could be wrong? maybe it's the camera, but what i see in that pic is what i see......

Pitoon

>>Not trying to be a jerk here but are you sure that is a Desert?
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And let that be proof to all those who say Desert females don't lay.
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YOu need more Desert education Kevin LOL!! Not see the Desert either could be bad pics.
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Thomas Jones
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You're kidding right?

sorry but that's not a desert

I don't see desert either.

I don't wanna be Mr Negativity,But that female looks a littlt off. Are you sure she's a desert?
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Chris Berrios
~S.Fl Constrictors~

Yeah - doesn't look like a desert to me either wrong photo maybe? Gosh I hope Dad is an actual desert at least.
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Tosha
JET Pythons

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I had a female Desert from Petes line that wasn't very bright colored like that too, she looked a little like my Mystics as much to me as a anything but she was a Desert. I think they just vary and may just have come out of a dark not so pretty normal I think. It's cool he got eggs as I think it likely is a Desert , just hope they hatch out alright is what I want to see . I personally don't think there is a Super and it's a dominant gene but we will possibly see if they all hatch out so good luck with it!

Anthony McCain

I'm sorry but i also don't see how that's a desert. Maybe it's because it's a crappy cell phone pic (I hope)
And if it is.... what do you think a super would look like? any guesses?

I sure hope that it is a desert and don't want to rain on your success, but I'm sorry, I just don't see it either.
The only reason I say that I don't see desert is that I know most of the pics we see posted are PE line, but I have Kahl's line of deserts and it doesn't look like any of my girls.
Again, I'm not one to say either way, just sharing an opinion based on a picture. Trust me, I want this to be a desert and really wish you the best of luck with them. I look forward to hearing more about your project.
Cheers!
John
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John Woolard Reptiles

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Congrats on the clutch. No matter what it is, it is always great to have breeding success.

For the visual Desert part, it would be great to see other pics of that animal, and the male as well.

This is where it gets confusing between the PE Deserts and Pete Kahl's line. We have never hatched a Desert that looked like that from our line. But I HAVE SEEN animals on Pete's tables labled Deserts that looked very much like that. More than one.

It is that visual difference that made me think (more) that our Desert lines were similar, but not the same. I am still unsure of the genetic tie.

The pic you posted is of a post-lay female, worn out, tired, exhausted and depleted. Plenty of females look "off" and not their best right after laying. But there are some visual cues that very much remind me of Pete's Deserts that I have seen.

I could be wrong, but I am certainly willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. Congrats again on a healthy Ball python clutch. SUPER congrats if it is indeed a Desert x Desert clutch. I have heard of a few Desert females laying good eggs, and hatching, but this is the first I have heard of eggs that would possibly produce a Super. That would be fantastic!

Can you post more pics of your Desert balls?
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robyn@proexotics.com

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So do you have any younger pics of that female? Maybe she looks a little different? I'm curious to know....

Everyone is on the edge of their seat to see some pictures of some ACTUAL desert X desert eggs........and to see them survive until hatching.....

Brandon Boeke
Priceless Pythons

I agree we need more pics. I just doesn't look like any Deserts I've personally seen. I'm like Kevin I may just need more education.

Brent
BRB Reptiles

Congrats! Best of luck hitting a super.
Dan

I am no Desert expert by any means, but that being said, I don't think anyone would post a pic of a snake on eggs and say it is a Desert if it wasn't. Especially with all the hoopla about Deserts going around. I am with the thought process of; snakes vary within there own morph. A perfect example is Brian Gundys Mojaves,they are by far the best Mojaves around, but I have seen some pretty mediocre Mojaves. Same with Pastels. So, because this may not be a textbook example of a Desert lets not count it out. Cellphones suck!

These came directly from Pete

Based on that picture and a picture Mike Willbanks posted on another forum I would say that female is a desert!

Congrats John, good luck on the Super!

Congrats on the clutch and possible supers. I haven't seen a Kahl line desert in person, but I must admit, I was a bit disappointed the first time I saw an adult desert in person. Everyone was touting it as a gene that didn't brown out, but all the adults I've seen are MEH. That being said, you needed sunglasses to look at PE's table at Daytona last year, and some of those combos had size to them, so I love what the gene can do.
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Jake

Here is a pic of my young male breeder desert and one of his babies from this year.Thet do not dull out much at all with age These are PE line and the others may not be as bright.I hope what you have is a female desert and will gladly be first in line to eat crow.keep us posted on them.Thanks Terry

Nice lookin' deserts Terry. I would love to see some pics of BIG female PE deserts holding thier color. Again I love the gene and what it can do, it just seems like a lot of the above doubt about the OP's girl can be linked to two things:
1)the web is flooded with pics of shiny hatchlings and subadults with very few pics of breeder size females or even 1500 gram males.
2)differences in pattern and color intensity between the PE line and Kahl line deserts.
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Jake

Forgot one more teency weency thing.. natural variabilty. The above is a desert no question in my mind. Look at it closely, you can totally see it. Clean dorsal colour, intense flames, great blushing, very defined eye stripes. Total desert, surprised theres this much controversy over it myself, looks like an obvious desert to me. Ball pythons darken as they age, they all do, even highlighter morphs. I simply call it aging lol. The super desert is what I'm interested in, I see it taking on the tendencies of the super enchi or super vanilla myself, and no I don't think its a dominant gene. Theres are supers in this clutch I can feel it, and can't wait to see them! Best of luck! ~Caylan.S.~