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How long does it take for a baby SNAKE to start piping out of EGGS and start leaving it to go out of there and?!!! And how long to put them in seprate cagesand such?!!! And who can tell stories of histery on THE PEANUT BUTTER FLORIDA KING SNAKES?!!!! Please post some pitures of them A.S.A.P.!!!. I relly need to see some A.S.A.P. Now pLEASE!?

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www.Bluerosy.com

Good answer... and such.
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Kent

1.1 Hypo (het lavender, striped) cornsnakes, 2010
1.2 Gray-banded kingsnakes, blairs phase, 2008
1.1 Oregon rubber boas, w/c 200?

Actually my answer was not directed at m77mcreedy as much as it was the others who want to see and hear stories on the Peanut Butter NOW, right away, ASAP!.

m77mcreedy is okay in my book. I would love to see him get a shot at being a moderator here when Cindy is out of town.
LOL!
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www.Bluerosy.com

Hmm...That might be interesting!
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Kent

1.1 Hypo (het lavender, striped) cornsnakes, 2010
1.2 Gray-banded kingsnakes, blairs phase, 2008
1.1 Oregon rubber boas, w/c 200?

Thanks to Jimmy we see why you didn't want to tell us!
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

"Thanks to Jimmy we see why you didn't want to tell us!"Jorge, I don't get it. (confused)
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Jimmy Tintle

>>"Thanks to Jimmy we see why you didn't want to tell us!"Jorge, I don't get it. (confused)
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>>Jimmy Tintle

He blasted Doug Beard for doing almost the same thing! I was just interested in knowing the history too! Then when he didn't want to say it, I got suspicious. Then the rude comments directed at me, for asking a simple question? It must have hit a nerve I guess.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

Oh I see, thanks.
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Jimmy Tintle

Rainer, I don't understand what the issue was about explaining The first PB being produced. I am sure I am not the only one that was searching for it. I personally like to know as much about the history of lines,strains, and/or morphs that I can.Even if I don't work with the species, I may want to in the future and it's nice to know. Thanks for posting it in the earlier posts for us to find even though I spent countless hours looking for it. Lol

What I thought was funny was you had posted some pics of the PB in 2003 I think and someone had posted "where's the Jellies?" Didn't the Jellies come after 2003? (haven't had time to search for that thread yet)
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Jimmy Tintle

What I thought was funny was you had posted some pics of the PB in 2003 I think and someone had posted "where's the Jellies?" Didn't the Jellies come after 2003? (haven't had time to search for that thread yet)

The "Jelly" comment in 2003 was a joke..Peanut Butter and Jelly...get it? Back then there were forum posters just like Jorge who made fun of the name. Even though I asked THIS forum to pick the name. And Peanut Butter was what everyone came up with. later on the ribbing started because they did not know the history of the name and were critizizing me for it inception.

Then, after I did the breeding with a PB to a T neg, to produce what "i thought" would produce double het normals.. I used the "joke" about the "Peanut butter and Jelly" and applied it to the new morph which so perfectly fit it description since it shared an allele with the PB. So yes i did come up with the name "jelly" on my own. But only after ribbing and critizizing. But not the PB.

Ironic isn't it!

Now I heard there is a new hybrid morph called the Mongrel king. All because of some forum posters here who have been going at it. LOL! I guess this forum,and its posters, do write an interesting history of the snakes names.
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www.Bluerosy.com

>>The "Jelly" comment in 2003 was a joke..Peanut Butter and Jelly...get it? Back then there were forum posters just like Jorge who made fun of the name. Even though I asked THIS forum to pick the name. And Peanut Butter was what everyone came up with. later on the ribbing started because they did not know the history of the name and were critizizing me for it inception.

Dude stop smoking Crack!!!!!!! When the have I ever made fun of the name PB? I like the names Peanut Butter and Jelly! You are dillusional. Grow up!
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

Edited on June 19, 2011 at 16:38:43 by PHFaust.

I am not delusional. You just have a reading and comprehension problem by misinterpeting my posts.

You are taking things out of context and making it into something else, and I don't have the time to argue what was already written and explain it to you.
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www.Bluerosy.com

>>I am not delusional. You just have a reading and comprehension problem by misinterpeting my posts.
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>>You are taking things out of context and making it into something else, and I don't have the time to argue what was already written and explain it to you.
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>>www.Bluerosy.com
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If you don't have time to explain why are you here? You are the one who is misinterpreting. I never made fun of the names PB&J, all I did was ask what was the history? Seeing as you are the one who popularized them, and have so much info on Doug Beard, one would think you would be willing to tell your story! I wasn't in a big hurry to know the history as you said either. I said I would wait for the movie!

But that's over, so now you can.............click link to see rest of messge
Link

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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

Never mind having to jump through all the needless "hoops" here. I talked directly to my long-time friend Steve Strasser today, and he told me the precise history on the peanut butters. In short, Steve's friend, Tom Mills of California told Steve that while he was down that way visiting Steve in Florida, he wanted to go to Glades Herp to check things out. So they went there and picked out a couple of brooksi they had. Tom took them home and later inadvertently produced the very FIRST peanut butters that descended from these normal wild-caught snakes that originated from Miami/Dade county that Glades had. Tom accidentally produced two odd looking snakes (peanut butters), one of which died, then the following year produced another two, and one of THOSE also died as well. So it just so happened that this left one sexual pair.

After these odd looking snakes were produced by Tom, Steve tried to keep this "hush-hush" and got back with Bill Love(then of Glades Herp), and tried to locate more original animals with these same code numbers that the one's Tom originally bought from them, but this didn't pan out, so Steve let the "cat out of the bag" so to speak and told Bill About these odd snakes that Tom produced. Bill thought that from the code numbers Steve told him, these were likely the hypos he just recently produced, but they were not because the "xx" prefix meant those also were wild-caught animals of unknown ages. Soon afterwards, Tom later gave all of this group back to his friend Steve Strasser, and Steve produced some more along with hets in the following years, which is where Rainer got his from.

Steve is out of town right now, but he said he would send me all the details on these later on when he gets back home.

See, this short and sweet version wasn't so hard to type out, was it??..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

Jorge, I don't know 100% what everyone thinks on the hypos, but I live just down the street from Kevin Maxwell, the originator of the hypos from wildcaught animals from the loves, and last tuesday I went to his house to help him decide what was a pb, het pb, jelly etc in his new clutches. When I was there he pulled up the very first pictures of the very first hypos from 1992 I believe, and explained to me that he hatched out 4 hypos from the unknown het parents and as he wasn't into FL Kings like he is today, showed them to Beard who decided to advertise them and sell them. Kevin didn't know until later that Beard's price tag was a whopping $700 when he was only getting $125 for them. He has the proof, the pictures, and Bonita Gala, another one of his and my friends who saw some of the very first ones. I will see him again this coming tuesday as he has more hatching out and will ask him if he has any of that on the computer, and if he is okay with me posting those original pictures. Thats the story that I got from the mouth of the originator. Hope that helps some. More of a complete story

Jeremy Thompson
Captive Born Investments Inc.

Yeah, that is exactly how I understand the story as well Jeremy.

Strasser and I even discussed some of that very same thing when we spoke today.

I certainly remember when Doug Beard would also go to a little local show in Ft. Lauderdale that I went to quite often, and his were going for $700 then..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

Thanks Doug, I don't know who to believe now!!!! I guess I will always be a "newbie know nothing"LOL
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Jimmy Tintle

What did Tom and Steve call these odd looking Floridana back then?
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Uh HELLO?!!!!! Duh....PEANUT BUTTER KINGS SNAKES! Where have you been all night when these dorks were fihting about them the whole time like usual!! And why didn't no one post my pitures of PEANUT BUTTER KINGS SNAKES like I said to and such!???? And I'm relly gettin fed up with the ways things are going on around here! And I still wanna see some more su-weet pitures of SNAKES to!

shut up....lol. Not Peanit Bitters so sue me!

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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

Oh she's beatiful!!! What kinds of SNAKES are those two in your pitures that look like there mating?!!and Espsially that last one she's beatiful? And no you shut up and here's pitures of my SNAKES EGGS. And but they don't look like that any more. There slitly way more green and yellow and smaller and hard now. The gestibation period and such is almost done in a few more weeks I think so;

the first one is a ghost, mating a famous Mystery King, the second one is a Snow being bred by a male Sulfur het for Lavender, the pic below is that same female with her eggs, and finally a Sulfur Lavender.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

Please don't get mad at me fish, but I don't think that's a GHOST SNAKE. And if it is its the ugliest one I ever saw in my whole life. Actually come to think of it its the only one I ever saw. I had a GHOST CORN SNAkE a long time ago but I slammed her neck in the tub and so she died. I will post a piture of her if my mom didn't throw her in the trash from the freezer I kept her in for research perpises and such. Here my BULL SNAKES:

Awesome bull snake man, super red and such lol!

Jeremy Thompson
Captive Born Investments Inc.

I just being scarcastic and such I know. Your just jealus cus I have something you don't want!

No I ment to say I have something you don't have (not want) and so that's why your jealous so there. What ev.

Those are very nice, Jorge. All 3 of those morphs are equally nice.

>>Those are very nice, Jorge. All 3 of those morphs are equally nice.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

>>Uh HELLO?!!!!! Duh....PEANUT BUTTER KINGS SNAKES! Where have you been all night when these dorks were fihting about them the whole time like usual!! And why didn't no one post my pitures of PEANUT BUTTER KINGS SNAKES like I said to and such!???? And I'm relly gettin fed up with the ways things are going on around here! And I still wanna see some more su-weet pitures of SNAKES to!

NO Dimwit!
They were not called peanut butters until Rainer produced them.......

Spiritfingers!!!
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

LOL spirit fingers is perfect! Oh and John, don't worry..... Just take out "people" and "they" and insert you know who

Jeremy Thompson
Captive Born Investments Inc.

Lmao, a "Dimwitted SpiritFinger" sounds like a good colurbrid morph. Hahaha!
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Jimmy Tintle

hmmm, Yeah, I forgot to ask him if they did call them anything at that time.....good question. I will try to remember to ask him the next time I talk to him.

Maybe they just called them......."these weird hypo looking things" for the time being..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

Thanks Doug for the info. I don't see what all the hype is about? If I was famous for making a particular morph popular, I would have to expect people to ask me the story behind them all the time.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

Dmong,

Never mind having to go through the posts?? What are you talking about???? TWO days ago (on the 16th) KC posted the history from one of my many explanations on the history of tghe PB on here. That was on the 16th (check the posts) AND YOURS WAS ON THE 18th. ,.(not that i care that...it is the whole "intent" of others here I am addressing) You just posted the exact same thing but with the exception of adding the names..which BTW, are in several of my other lengthy posts.

I guess you don't see what Jorge is doing. Or care?

KC already foiund the smae exact history you posted here 2 days before you (names exempt). Any more searching could have found more detailed history than what you posted including Steves Starasers name etc..

Here is the post on the 18th...

forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1920598,1920601
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www.Bluerosy.com

I'm sorry I meant to type "here is the post on the 16th" not the 18th. You posted it on the 18th..which was 2 days after all the hoopla and was the same thing posted.

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www.Bluerosy.com

didn't you give this link before? It would have stopped everything in it's tracks. But you like the attention. Like I said it not that important to me. I was just wanting to know. So sad that you are so paranoid.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

1) First of all, I did not see that post anyway.

2) I wasn't about to make a big deal over it and waste my time searching all over for it.

3) I could care less about all this ridiculous additional drama you are making over it.
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

Doug,
There was no additional drama except for what Jorge is creating.

1) the answer to jorges question was posted 2 days before your post. So no searching was or additional drama was neccesary.

2) I posted the story here MANY TIMESfor people that actually deserve my attention. Jorge is not one of those people. I just choose to ignore him but he keeps calling me out with his whiney posts..

3) Sorry he involved you.
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www.Bluerosy.com

i dont want any credit but you didn't come up with "jelly" all by your lonesome... Jeremy posted the old jelly post of the 1st jelly a while back and if you recall (which i guess u don't). i told u (joking of course) you should call them "Jellies" in an email and then on the forum in response to your post.

Just like i broke down the mode of inheritance of the jellies for you and you told me i was nuts! but we see now i was correct all along.

Personally i dont like either name because it was hard to be taken seriously when trying to explain genetics using names like "Peanut Butter" & "Jelly" (someone asked me once if i had "chocolate brooks" but meant PB)... the names are unique but Ultra-hypo (PB) and Ultramel (Jelly) appealed to me more.

I feel like PB and Jelly stand out more and show just how unique the two morphs are... I also feel like if BP people can call their morphs Potions, and Purple Passions, and Bananas etc and sell them for thousands of dollars... the names PB and Jelly are modest lol. JMO, i know i didn't come up with either. I would have named the Albescent something else too, but this forum liked it, so Rainer chose it.

How do others feel????

Jeremy Thompson
Captive Born Investments Inc.

I would have to lean towards Zenny's names versus Pb & J. Just my opinion. There is such a wide array of names in this hobby that sometimes it feels like being a scientist to figure out the genetic make-up. I found myself scratching my head sometimes to figure out the genetic make up of most of the 3 homo corns or BP's. And then to change a name after all these years from Blood red to Difused.( I think)

I wonder how the new people to the hobby figure it all out starting at Amel or Anery?

I do guess it may be easier to market a pair of PB & J kings, than Ultra-Hypo male and Ultramel female. And how did the Hognose guy come up with "Anaconda"? Just doesn't seem to fit to me but it is easier to market and caught on.

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Jimmy Tintle

Brent decided (i believe on his own, though he may have told me that a friend had some influence) that the patterning reminded him of an anaconda so he went with it. He wanted something more appealing than a motley and super motley, and nobody has really complained about it. I think these weirder names make it harder for newbies to figure it out, yet they may attract new buyers at the same time, who knows. I talked to a guy who called about some eastern kings the other day and then he asked about the PBs and Jellies and told me that he really liked the names...

Jeremy Thompson
Captive Born Investments Inc.

zenny,
You didn't even know what a Ultra mel and Ultra hypo was back then, much less suggested those names.. Knowbody knew exactly what was going on with the genetics. Others suggested it may be similar to the Ultramel and then you (much later) adopted this theory.
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www.Bluerosy.com

Rainer,

u always had difficulty giving credit where it was due. (except to yourself of coarse)

how much later we talk'n? we're in 2011 ... 1st jelly was produced in 2006 and many have been produced since then. When TOM STEVENS suggested to me that it could be the same as the Ultra-Ultramel i did my own research i talked to the Cornsnake guys then i hit my books. I told you it was "Incomplete Dominance" and you still said NO.

I'm still a "newbie know nothing" i guess ... THIS is why you and I will never get along...

~ZF

That is funny Zenny! LMAO
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Jimmy Tintle

Are you still mad at me? I heard your from new york and I don't want any trouble and didn't meen to make you mad at me and such. Please don't yell at me no more. Your KINGS SNAKES are killer S.H.I.T. (Super hot interesting topics). And there beatiful and I like them all very much and such.and want you to post more pitured as A.S.A.P. Thank you Z.

This thread started out just plain Stoopid and ended just the same......What the hell is going on with this forum.....Kinda reminds me of the Hillson days again........I know people are passionate but damn......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Whats hillson?

>>Whats hillson?

Lol......never mind........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Is she a girl?

Is she a girl?

Good guess. Actually it is John Lassiters old girlfriend.

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www.Bluerosy.com

Yours too....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Oh yeah she pretty great and real beatiful!????.

>> m77mcreedy is okay in my book. I would love to see him get a shot at being a moderator here when Cindy is out of town.
>>LOL!
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But Rainer, NO ONE wants to be near this forum. You all have scared every single moderator away....
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Cindy Steinle
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Except you, Cindy. Thanks for hanging in there.
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Kent

1.1 Hypo (het lavender, striped) cornsnakes, 2010
1.2 Gray-banded kingsnakes, blairs phase, 2008
1.1 Oregon rubber boas, w/c 200?

>>Except you, Cindy. Thanks for hanging in there.
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Kent,

I have no choice... I am the site coordinator.

But hey, I will always treat you all like the kids I never had, spank ya when you need it and love the rest of the time.
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Cindy Steinle
PHFaust
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