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Can't complain about these odds! This started out as a 5 egg clutch from my het ultramel pair. I felt pretty good about my chances of hitting at least one Ultra. Then, about half way through incubation, two eggs went bad. At that point I was thinking that I would probably end up getting nailed and end up with no visuals. I candled them at about day 40 and two of them looked much lighter than the 3rd. That gave me hope but I figured it would be too good to be true. When I cut them last week I was definitely excited to see that I actually did hit on two. These are my first Ultramels and I think they may already be my favorite of any snakes that I have hatched so far. Ended up with 1.1 Ultramels.

Male

Female

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John Vandegrift

WOW!........Congrats John......They are AMAZING

Congrats...they look sweet!
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Matt Lerer
Ghi Reptiles

Congratulations!
Hope my odds are as good as yours. I'm expecting some pretty hot Ultra combos this year. My fingers are crossed!

Brent
BRB Reptiles

WOW! First I ever saw them...only recently heard the term ultramel being used with balls...those are my new favorites!! Imagine Ultramel pieds...now that would be sick!

actually those pieds down below look like they may even be ultramels or caramels....but anyway...great morph!!!

Andy
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ajfreptiles.com

Nice snakes. great odds.

>>Nice snakes. great odds.
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John Vandegrift

Could someone explain the true difference between Ultramels and Caramels?

From my understanding, the Ultramel is a different line of caramel that doesn't have near as much kinking and other problems associated with the Caramel genetics.

So, it would be compadible with the current lines?

Thanks guys.
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Reid Begnoche
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Actually, they are not compatible with any of the normal caramel lines. They are two completely different morphs. There is a double recessive combo out there of a caramel ultramel. Vin Russo produced it and called it a camarillo. Caramels and ultramels look pretty different as adults and ultramels have no kinking issues.
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John Vandegrift

Not sure if I can post an image of the camarillo, but here is a link to a good picture on Vin Russo's site.

http://www.cuttingedgeherp.com/nss-folder/ballpythonpictures/Caramels08.jpg
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John Vandegrift

"Could someone explain the true difference between Ultramels and Caramels?"
Marketing.
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www.strictlyballs.ca

>>"Could someone explain the true difference between Ultramels and Caramels?"
>>Marketing.
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>>www.strictlyballs.ca

Are you trying to claim that there is no difference between them?
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John Vandegrift

difference

one is caramel
one is ultramel

(just like an albino and a lavender albino...)....

they aren't the same...they would make double hets if bred together....

ultramels make no kinks...therefore cost more....and are more bright and nice...

caramels....been around awhile....yet still dropped in price due to the kink issues...

I bought caramel.....and am making honeybees het caramel and pastel ghosts het caramel hopefully....wish me luck...

hopefully ultramels breed like fire...so the price drops and we can all buy more of them....!!!!...

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........JY

The flood is a comin..........LOL.

Bill
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1.0 Spider Albino
1.0 Spider het Lavender (TSK)
0.1 Clown (Casey Lazik)
1.1 Tripple Het Caramel, Orange Ghost, Genetic Stripe
1.0 Honeybee
1.3 Het Lavenders (TSK)
0.1 Het Caramel Albino
0.1 Spider Het Albino (NEXTWORLD EXOTICS)
0.1 Pastel Het for Orange Ghost
1.1 Albino (TSK)
0.1 Spinner Het for Albino
1.0 Super Pastel (TSK)
1.1 Kids (10) and (17)
0.1 Spouse (23 Years Married)
1.0 Chocolate Lab

I would say it's marketing (or bad marketing) due to kinking.

But it's definitely two different morphs as it had been proved.
Here is the caramillo

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love this world, don't hate it.

Congrats! I hope my hets will go next year.

lucky you
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Rolf Mikkelsen
DENMARK

John,
Thank you so much for sharing!!! V/R Paige
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Balls - As many as my husband will tolerate...other various reptiles, animals, kids and a smoking sweet husband; would be perfect if he only liked ball pythons...

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Best regards,
AlanColesReptiles

Those are gorgeous. Very impressive.

Bill
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1.0 Spider Albino
1.0 Spider het Lavender (TSK)
0.1 Clown (Casey Lazik)
1.1 Tripple Het Caramel, Orange Ghost, Genetic Stripe
1.0 Honeybee
1.3 Het Lavenders (TSK)
0.1 Het Caramel Albino
0.1 Spider Het Albino (NEXTWORLD EXOTICS)
0.1 Pastel Het for Orange Ghost
1.1 Albino (TSK)
0.1 Spinner Het for Albino
1.0 Super Pastel (TSK)
1.1 Kids (10) and (17)
0.1 Spouse (23 Years Married)
1.0 Chocolate Lab

Wow! That gene is just amazing. Congrats.
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Cheers,
Jessica Gibbs
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Gorgeous!
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Alice Cobb
Florida Reptile Room

np
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