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Iv been reading and getting writen advice here (kingsnake.com) for quite a few years now. im not a poster, just one of those guys that love my reptiles, sit in my chair and read through the posts and if i need help i will ask.

Just recently 6 months or so , this place has turned into something like a childs playground, name calling, slaging off other peoples snakes , call outs , damn the lists goes on.

i used to see most of the guys here as real professional herpetologists, but my thoughts are changing to silly little boys.

Come on guys, the world is watching. and we dont want silly little school yard bickering.

Thanks
Albinohead

I agree and it's always the same people. Too bad we don't have any leadership in the moderation department.

This forum is turning into a joke.

Kerby...
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But have you checked out some of the other Forums?

The Rubber Boa Forum moves about as fast as they do.

Folks just don't shoot the Bull over on the Bull snake Forum.

There is still plenty of good insightful info here if you wade through the other stuff and just like real life you have to accept folks like they are and where they are coming from and just maybe be glad you don't share a backyard fence with them! LOL

But you are right. It does get old....

at least the bullsnake's forum 1st page is all from this year; the water snake forum has post from 2008 on the first page!
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
1.3 African House Snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
1 corn snake
4.3 Florida Kings
2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
1 Argentine boa
1 Texas Rat Snake
1 checkered garter snake

OH YEAH Hi guys! I LOVE BULL SNAKES to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and KINGS SNAKES sre pretty great to and such! I just read about a 10 feet long BULL SNAKE!!!!!!!!!!! KINGS SNAKES are smaller!!!

Can you find insight like this? Huh? Huh? Priceless!
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

Apologize for all my comments above! I have worked over 60 hours driving a truck this week, and I really need to get some sleep so I can work another 10 tonight. My humble apologies to all, and to all, a good night. I really need to stop taking those red pills, whooo!
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

Have you checked out the "Pine/Bull/Gopher snake forum? They have some great pictures of bull snakes.
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Kent

1.1 Hypo (het lavender, striped) cornsnakes, 2010
1.2 Gray-banded kingsnakes, blairs phase, 2008
1.1 Oregon rubber boas, w/c 200?

>>I agree and it's always the same people. Too bad we don't have any leadership in the moderation department.
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Kerby, if you have an issue with how the forum is moderated, feel free to send suggestions to me directly rather than making an attack on the forum. In case you need it, my email is phfaust@pethobbyist.com
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Cindy Steinle
PHFaust
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I have reported violations using the "forum abuse" button. Does that e-mail go to someone other than you?

Recently this forum has had quite a few posts that are directly attacking another forum member, calling them names, threatnening them to show up in person and see what happens to them, etc. Posts that are made to encite a negative reaction (as compared to discussion) is now common.

It is getting out of control. Treating all forum posters the same would be appreciated. Favortism is quite obvious.

Kerby...
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>>I have reported violations using the "forum abuse" button. Does that e-mail go to someone other than you?

Those go to our community review staff.

>>Recently this forum has had quite a few posts that are directly attacking another forum member, calling them names, threatnening them to show up in person and see what happens to them, etc. Posts that are made to encite a negative reaction (as compared to discussion) is now common.
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Actually the name calling and threatening posts as far as I am aware of have been removed. If there are missing ones, please feel free to report the abuse.
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Cindy Steinle
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Just because some people blow hugs and kisses, after they shred others, that doesn't mean anything!
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

Why do you study what people do? why not just respond to the subject matter. Not the stuff about people, the stuff about animals.

Years ago, I would come here and include lots and lots of reptile information. And one sentence or paragraph about people. Guess what, 99% of the responses or replys were about the people stuff. Sir, that shows you where the readers interest is.

OR, how about this thought, people mainly repond to something they have an understanding of. So what do they respond to most, other people, or snakes????

Forums of all types are places for people to practice being people. hahahahahahahhahaha it is a new art form, a new language, all based on forum banter. The subjects, well they are secondary at best.

"Just because some people blow hugs and kisses, after they shred others, that doesn't mean anything!"

Yeah, that had to be one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read here.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

The thought of any of ya'll hugging and kissing is disturbing in the extreme. I'm going back to shoveling snake poop now.
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
1.3 African House Snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
1 corn snake
4.3 Florida Kings
2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
1 Argentine boa
1 Texas Rat Snake
1 checkered garter snake

Also, if you read the responses you will see it is not only me who is concerned about the lack of mederation on this forum. I am not "atacking" you, (which I find ironic considering the attacks that forum members do to each other here on this forum that you cannot see).

I am not attacking you, I am stating what I see. I've been on this forum since the late 1990's and like most have been banned in the past for farting while sitting at the computing. So IMO, this forum is deginerating and needs to be policed up a little, that is all. And treat all posters the same.

Kerby...
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Yeah I always get yelled at by people and almost quit coming on here and such!

No offense but your posts are designed to cause people to yell at you. Its your cause and your design. Its called baiting.

You start with pics of pits, hahahahahahahahahahahahaha wrong forum, so to speak.

Don't get me wrong, behavior is behavior and I enjoy yours, so keep doing it.

I agree! This guy is the smartest guy on the forum! Pure Genius!
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

Some of mcreedy's posts are far more useful than others I have seen here in the past and such.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

I luv his pitures.............
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

and he has it down >>
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
1.3 African House Snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
1 corn snake
4.3 Florida Kings
2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
1 Argentine boa
1 Texas Rat Snake
1 checkered garter snake

The selection of pics (squirrel, pits) and his changing of the subject is brilliantly executed. I even respond to his posts sometimes to encourage more.
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Mark

HELLO!!!!!!!!? I can see what you did say as about me behind my back and such!!!!!!!!!!!!!? Now I'm relly gonna leave here now!!!!

I hope he is just an innocent excitable kid instead of an adult in disguise.

Excitable boy (they all said).......

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

Go up and click on "show all posts for m77mcreedy". Look at some of his older posts. He is either doing some creative trolling or he has suffered some massive head trauma in the last few weeks.

Wow! I just had a head trauma with that smokin' picture or should it be piture...Hahahaha! Great pic Greg!
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Jimmy Tintle

LOL. Seems the "accident" happened around May 24th, during a discussion about hybrids. All the post prior to that date were well thought out and written well. Gotta admit I have gotten a laugh or two out of the post though.

"All the post prior to that date were well thought out and written well"

LOL!...Yes, that must have been quite a blow on that fateful day. LMAO!!..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

He's like a Phil Hendrie character. Just awesome.

He reminds me of a lad that used to come here, he went by the name of GOREGRIND.

I bet my snake can eat your snake.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

to post that opinion... I'd like to believe it will do some good in the future.

Gerry

Thank you VeRY MUCH!!! And me to. I try to make changes and such and wish things would go back to the way they use to be but no body ever lisens to me and barly even ever say things back to me!. But I'm not new I know about snakes and have the same one for almost to years to?!. I grew my collection already this summer and have a new BULL SNAKE that eats mice!. I plan to catch mabe some more to now that shcool is out!. My bike has a flat tire. And I use a snake hook and gloves to and such!!!!!!. Jasiter is prety great and is my only true friend on here!!!!!. But its still a prety great SNAKE club!!!. Thanks for saying things back to me!!! Just a nother su-weeeeet piture I love:

You are entitled to your opinion. Just like others here we all have different opinions.

But the fact is this forum has people reading and posting. Some people come here for the drama and other for advice, yet still others just post a pic and don't say anything. At least it is not as boring as other forums. probably why they don't have much action there.
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www.Bluerosy.com

Its not so bad, definitely fun to read through.

The different forums for sure each have their own feel to them.

I love rosyboas but man is that forum boooring.. lol.
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Mark

Do you have ROSEY BOAS!!!! Please say something back A.S.A.P.!

Rosy pot pie

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Mark

Did I miss another forum fight? I generally don't mind them since if I see one brewing I just skip that thread. If I want to watch a fight I can just go outside and watch the hummingbirds battle over the nectar feeder.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Go Jerry....Jerry....Jerry
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

Exactly! If you only even knew what goes on in the background with what some certain individuals, who post here at times, have done to both snakes and individuals, you would consider what you see civil!! LOL!!! Much refrainment has been practiced.

It has turned into a playground definetely, from both various nonsense listed as " advice " to the name calling from keyboard commandos, so to say. Lately though, even the immaturity and childish behaviour has turned into calling others " dividers " if they do not agree on an opinion. Subtle yet literally ridiculous. But hey, that is what you get when some are insecure with their beliefs and have to stoop to that type of immaturity to get by on a forum to begin with.

The " real " breeders/leaders of the kingsnake section of the hobby do see things how they really are, when it comes to the subject of this particular forum, and they basically don't have much time to come on here, nor actually want to come on here and contribute, due to the Romper Room antics performed by some. That itself is sad, but a overall result of again, selfish behaviour fueled by insecurity. The rep of this forum is horrible amidst many of those who are really making a contribution to Herpetoculture as a whole.

Having a civil conversation is one thing, but what you see here many times, that is a whole other story.

Use the forum for its' intended purpose. Duh.

Good thoughts.

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Genesis 1:1

The forums need more "difference of opinion" or controversy. Without such, there is no progress.

At this time, colubrid husbandry has not progressed in decades. Its refined itself to a dull middle of the road recipe method.

In doing that, all your going to get is people being people and using this forum for a playground, then stop all together. Then it will become the Greek Tort forum. Dead as dead can be.

The point of current husbandry is holding animals and making babies. Thats it. There is no learning about the animals, they do what you tell them or they die.

In most cases, the only way to see them is to open the drawer and pull one out. Like baseball cards. Which is why the only thing of interest is what different pattern or morph can be produced. As the snakes themselves, have NO VALUE. Its only what they look like, then their commerical value.

The problem is simple, shoebox setups should only be for commerical breeders. Private keepers should keep animals to enjoy the WHOLE reptile experience. As in, the producer and the consumer.

What went wrong is, every(most) setups are commerical therefore, everyone is a commerical breeder, which as you have seen drops the value of any snake in weeks, months, etc.

The industry needs to develop standards for keeping where the animals are interesting to watch. Not just a drawer that mice go in and poop comes out.

These snakes are very complex behaviorally, they do interesting things, But 99% here do not care, they just want predictable eggs.

Kingsnakes live in groups, make marvelous nests, combat eachother, climb, burrow, swim, etc etc etc, BUT NOT IN A DRAWER.

So, once all the meat of the subject is taken away(the snake stuff) You have a barren field. So whos going to come and play, people. People will be people and they will fool with eachother, they have fooled witheachother. For as long as people have been people. Its not about kids, or immature, or any of that. Its ABOUT, theres nothing to talk about. How could there be, a snake in a box.

Only so much to be said for a snake in a box.

Liked your post FR.

This part is something for people to consider:

The problem is simple, shoebox setups should only be for commerical breeders.
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www.Bluerosy.com

I want to see you juggle eggs! Now that would be great!
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

I think your baseball card analogy was perfect. That's not cool at all!
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Gerard
www.livebaitclip.com
Gone Fishing!

>>I think your baseball card analogy was perfect. That's not cool at all!
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>>Gerard
>>www.livebaitclip.com
>>Gone Fishing!

Yeah right? I mean these things are alive, for goodness sakes!

Now let's see some egg juggling!
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

Maybe the embryo's inside were "telling" him they wanted to be juggled?

And maybe bubblegum companies will start putting hatchlings in their packs of gum?.........how cool is that!??
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

>>And maybe bubblegum companies will start putting hatchlings in their packs of gum?.........how cool is that!??

That would actually rock...way cooler than baseball cards!
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
1.3 African House Snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
1 corn snake
4.3 Florida Kings
2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
1 Argentine boa
1 Texas Rat Snake
1 checkered garter snake

And I was not the ring leader that time.

Erine Wagner(poop) past curator of reptiles at woodlawn park zoo and pioneer with breeding all manner of things. And I mean that.

He also at some time in his life took a juggling course, I should have asked more about that. I on the otherhand, can just juggle.

Well, Ernie wanted to prove the point that flipping snake eggs wasw not harmful. At that time He produced lots of corns, this is very early in the development of corns. SO we juggled cornsnake eggs and yes, they went on to hatch. We juggled three clumps of eggs. hahahahahahaha thankfully we did not drop any.

As we know know, there is not hard fast rule. Some species cannot be moved or flipped, some can. Its also about timing, there are times you can flip them and times you cannot. Its seems early on and late on, you can, in the middle, with some species, you cannot. Other species, doesn't seem to matter.

So if in doubt, don't flip out. hahahahahahahahaha

Frank, I happen to appreciate a lot of what you've said. I think folks are saying they enjoy being challenged to look at things from a different perspective and ultimately find the hobby more interesting,rewarding and satisfying.

Example;
To support my statement that pyros and zonatas are not rock dwellers, all you have to do is look at the total range of those species, then compare how much of that has these crevices.

As far as that goes, Patchnose are found in and nesting in, crevices as often as pyros, yet they are NOT rock dwellers either. Thanks for reading

Helpful,respectful quality interesting information that people tune in for and will CONTINUE to tune in for.
Not the other "STUFF".

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" The forums need more "difference of opinion" or controversy. Without such, there is no progress. "

Not saying difference of opinion is wrong. Just the way it is being handled.

" At this time, colubrid husbandry has not progressed in decades. "

Sorry, but speak for yourself. Very broad statement that holds no water. You have no idea how each and every person takes care of their animals.

" The point of current husbandry is holding animals and making babies. Thats it. There is no learning about the animals, they do what you tell them or they die. "

Very much agreed!

" The problem is simple, shoebox setups should only be for commerical breeders. Private keepers should keep animals to enjoy the WHOLE reptile experience. As in, the producer and the consumer. "

Why should shoeboxes being used for cags be restricted to commercial breeders?? I do keep my animals in plastic box setups, and I DO enjoy the whole reptile experience. Ask anyone who knows me and my collection. Enjoying the reptile experience is a choice you make upon how you view, learn, and take care of your collection.

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Genesis 1:1

I came across an interesting scene in the field today that reminded me a lot of this forum lately.

I watched them fight for about 15 minutes or so, and I'm not sure either one of them knows who won.
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Joe

Oh yeah! Prety great piture! She's beatiful.!!! I have some of those kinds of chickens to. They look like there getting ready to mate and such. And I'm prety ashamed of this forum to. And this is my best CHICKEN?!!!!

>>Oh yeah! Prety great piture! She's beatiful.!!! I have some of those kinds of chickens to. They look like there getting ready to mate and such. And I'm prety ashamed of this forum to. And this is my best CHICKEN?!!!!
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These were two male wild turkeys and such...
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Joe

or I think of it like this.

And we are supposed to be the "higher life form"
or this..

Oh yeah shes beatiful to. I love the wonderus colors on him! And shes definetly gonna be getting ready to mate soon I know.!!!! Animals like to show up prety colors right before they mate and such. usually a boy and a girl aminal.

Too Funny!

Love the little dotted line there illustrating the turd being tossed!..HAHAA!!!.

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

for 15 minutes!
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

A rare picture of Cindy PHFaust the moderator dealing with the antics in this forum.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

That is why I dont bother with this much anymore. I watched some friends become enemies and got bored with all the poop slinging. I am happier sticking with my own customer base and talking with people who care nothing about forums...

Tom Stevens
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