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Hey Rainer...........

mbrawley Jun 30, 2011 12:03 PM

I now know what's on the menu for later this week. After several failed (and pathetic) attempts, this little guy finally told me what he prefers...western fence swift whatever. In this case, it appears that he likes blue belly tails. Unscented pinkies, NOT SO MUCH. LOL!

Anyway, and yeah yeah yeah, - I know they eat lizards primarily in the wild, but I've had several neonates, caught in the wild over the past 15+ years - in the months of sept and oct, that have taken pinkies on the first try. Well, NOT this little guy. He has his preferences and I respect that.

So lizard tails this week. Lizard scented mouse tails next week. Lizard scented pinkies the next. And hopefully, by the end of July, live pinkies.

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Bluerosy Jun 30, 2011 12:40 PM

did you try live unscented pinks?
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mbrawley Jun 30, 2011 01:09 PM

Yes, several failed attempts. I put a lizard tail in front of him and he went after it like a cal or florida king...and then had "seconds" too.

Bluerosy Jun 30, 2011 01:45 PM

You could try the bait and swicth since he is so agressive. Once he learns that pinkies are food, he should take them no problem..

but feed him up big time right now. They tend to shut off early. if he does not want mice, then keep feeding him swifts and work on him next spring.


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Sly Jul 01, 2011 10:45 AM

Hi, can you expand a little on them 'shutting off early'?

Although not new to snake keeping I have my first king & first Z. multicincta. She's eating like a champ, but I'm curious what conditions would cause her to take a break for the winter. She was a little thin when I got her and I have no history on her other than she was brought into a pet store when a family tired of her. Would you recommend giving her as much as she will take now in preparation for winter or just play it by ear?

Thanks!
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mbrawley Jul 01, 2011 01:04 PM

Hey what's up.

I would first of all say there are several things that can determine whether a zonata will "shut off" or not. The chances are better that it WON'T if it's captive bred, and has never been intentionally cooled. Normally, keepers will do this for the primary purpose of breeding. I have a long term, captive adult male that I have no intention of breeding, therefor I don't significantly cool him in the winter and he's more than content to continue his normal functions, even through the winter months. If I intentionally dropped his heat, he would most likely "shut down". This is not to say every zonata, regardless, will function this way. An animal who's used to being cycled, either intentionally, for breeding purposes, or from having been in the wild, could likely choose to "shut down" and stop eating no matter what, because that's been their regular cycle all along. Additionally, its not only the temp that can dictate what they do. The air pressure also fluctuates when the seasons change - and make no mistake about it, snakes know and sense this as well. This is much more difficult to control unless you are housing them in a completely climate controlled room.

My advice would be (because she appears thin according to what you've said) to offer her food frequently; every few days, and if it's hungry, it'll eat. I would not force it to cool. Try to maintain as natural a climate gradient as possible. This means a warm side, a cool side, a dryer side, and then, and very important, humidity. This can easily be accomplished by providing it a "moist" hide with regularly dampened moss or vermiculite. My zonatas spend most of their time in these moist, cool hides.

You'll find, if you scan many of the previous threads over the years, providing options to any and all reptiles, is the name of the game. If you do this, your snake will tell you what it wants and prefers.

The preceeding is what I do, and soley based on my knowledge and experience. I hope it helps you. I can almost certainly gaurantee there'll be others that will add their input too....hopefully they do. But for those who wanna critique and talk crap (as is often the case), I'll just go ahead and say to those, you can kiss my ass now.

Happy Trails!

Sly Jul 01, 2011 01:58 PM

LOL. I've been reluctant to post anything in this forum due to the bickering, but your shutting down comment did peak my interest. I have garters, some CB & some WC, who always go off feed in the winter no matter what I do and I've had a corn who ate year round pretty much no matter what I did so it's interesting to hear that this little one is somewhere in between

She is supposedly captive bred. I find that a little hard to believe considering the circumstances she ended up in. It's just hard for me to imagine someone breeding Z's in CA and placing one with someone who would randomly drop it off at a pet store, but you never know. I'm happy to have her, either way, and since she's the only one I'm allowed she's very special to me I've had her about two months, so it was perfect timing for her appetite to pick up anyway. It'll be interesting to see what she does this winter. I have her set up with a heat mat on a thermostat in a 20L, with a couple of identical hides, driftwood & a water bowl. She's just a little thing, so this works well for now. You'll notice that I don't have a humid hide for her, though, nor do I provide much humidity or live in a humid area. Hmmm. She's shed perfectly twice since she's been here and seems to be doing well. Think I should add a humid hide anyway?

markg Jun 30, 2011 02:05 PM

What "ssp" is that?
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mbrawley Jun 30, 2011 02:22 PM

Multicincta. (Bass Lake locale)

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