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Whenever I check in and see the quarrels. Seems a big part of it is not respecting that other folks see things differently and choose to do things differently.

Everyone should be free to decide what is best for them and their animals without condescending attitudes.

Folks should be free to banter about what if?... I observed this... What do you think this means?... Why would you surmise that from what you saw?...
Without getting dumped on or getting egos all out of whack.

Take the nuggets of the wonderful info available here, decide what you are willing to do and leave the others to do what they want to do. Otherwise you will drive yourself CRAZY.

I love you guys but am sure glad I don't live next door to many of you!

Good post!

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Kent

1.1 Hypo (het lavender, striped) cornsnakes, 2010
1.2 Gray-banded kingsnakes, blairs phase, 2008
1.1 Oregon rubber boas, w/c 200?

Colossians 3:17

My sentiments exactly. One of the reasons that I will very rarely post anything here. I refuse to get into any disagreements with anyone here. This is a part of my life that will never go away. Something that I enjoy that few will ever understand.
I am 48 years young and have had snakes since I was 6 years old. I continue to learn every year which is a reason why this will ALWAYS be in my blood. Why waste the time arguing?
We must all understand that there are different points of view. We must all understand that there will always be those that feel that their opinion is the correct opinion. For instance, someone posted a YouTube video of what they considered to be an indigo. Although somewhat difficult to tell, I felt pretty confident that the snake this person was calling an Indigo was a black racer. I noted that someone did point out THEIR OPINION that the snake was a black racer. The person that posted disagreed and said that they knew the difference between the two. At that point, why bother to contradict? It just leads to conflicts and turns in a back and forth battle of wills that will just continue on and on..........JUST LET IT GO! Suck it up and realize that the other persons opinion is just that, AN OPINION!
At one time not to long ago, there were some great people on this forum that loved/still love kingsnakes. Some of those people were Keith Hillson and Peter Jolles. They did, and could still bring so much to this forum but were censored and (I believe) barred from posting here. Quite a shame because both of these guys are top notch and know kingsnakes. I for one am sorry that neither one of them posts here anymore. They really contributed a lot. Those were the days.................
Brad Bauserman

Brad,

I'm another guy who has been on this forum about a dozen years, but rarely posts. I certainly remember the days where this was pretty much the "locality eastern king" forum, and guys like Hillson and Jolles dominated the posts. I enjoyed many of their posts, but I'm not surprised that they got banned. They were unable to follow your advice and to quote you "JUST LET IT GO! Suck it up and realize that the other persons opinion is just that, AN OPINION! "

The same old arguments were going on back then, and people started throwing insults and threats just like they do now. What blows my mind is who wasn't banned from that incident.

I have learned quite a bit about kingsnakes and husbandry from this forum over the past dozen years, but I find that each year I learn less and less and find myself wading through more and more of the same old arguments by people who take themselves far too seriously. Hopefully newbies can negotiate the minefield of useless information on here to glean some good knowledge. For the more experienced keepers this site is about useless unless you enjoy the bickering.

I, too have been here a decade or more......
Great post Greg.....I remember this as the Chainking forum too.......
And Keith was one of the first to argue many things........especially with FR.....lol

Of course he and Peter are knowledgeable but are, too passionate like most of us here.........

Still, there are some here that cannot "just let it go"......
That, I guess is their expression of passion, bit I do see too many one sided views from both sides of most of these arguments.........no one here is open minded any more.........

How do you all think the cookie cutter care sheets were made?
Through trial and error........done by many before us now.........there is certainly a much better way to keep these king snakes than what is spelled out in those care sheets........and I coomend those that try and learn things differently.......

I always disliked conforming to the masses.......
I don't drive a Chevy
I hate Metallica
And college football will always be better than the NFL..........lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

"I don't drive a Chevy."
"I hate Metallica."

Hey man, take it easy!

"And college football will always be better than the NFL"

That I agree with....LOL!!!
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Gerard
www.livebaitclip.com

"I fight knowledge with ignorance"HAHAhaha..............

Didn't mean to start anything with the chevy, NFL or metallica fans.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I was kidding. They are awesome though. Im out in the woods alot and my 4x4 chevy has got me where I needed.

Where's my dinner Davis

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Gerard
www.livebaitclip.com

"I fight knowledge with ignorance"HAHAhaha..............

So has my 4x4 FJ Cruiser...........lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

That's all that matters. I like that I rebuild that whole blazer at Discout Auto. That's thing got me out of some stuff that I wish I hadn't tried going through. I hope I have her for ever.
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Gerard
www.livebaitclip.com

"I fight knowledge with ignorance"HAHAhaha..............

HAHAHAA!!!!

~Doug

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

hi brad, yep its in my blood as well, im 44. like ive said before passion is a good thing division is not, hate is not, sadly bridges were burned those who burned them must rebuild them if thats what they want. building a bridge takes effort, nuff said.
,,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

I agree! All the fighting gets in the way of exchange of ideas.

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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

But they do like to eat rattlesnakes.

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

Well, I don't care if they eat those rattlers. Rattlers have a place in the world, too, just not in my woodpile! EEK!
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Wow, Didn't realize Pits ate Rattlesnakes and that Forum had it's Moments too.....

It's nice to shoot the breeze with folks that like the same things you do. Even busting each other and debating helps you figure things out. Just wish it was easier to do without it crossing the line and getting ugly.

I'm an adult and have had to deal with Knuckleheads in real life like everybody else and have to rein in my own knuckleheadededness (real word?)

Oh well.....

Hard not to look at this Forum and not think it's like a terrarium of sorts and we are all doing this to each other when someone gets too close or threatens us or our views. LOL
Have a good day.

Thanks.

**Wow, Didn't realize Pits ate Rattlesnakes**

In the early 1990's I found this Arizona Black rattlesnake (Crotalus cerberus) den. I went to it every spring, then one year (mid 1990's) I noticed a couple of Sonoran Gopher snakes at the den, coiled up right next to the AZ Blacks. But I noticed one of the smaller gopher snakes was really FAT! So I caught it and realized that there was NO WAY that the small gopher snake could have eaten a huge pack rat......so I took the gopher snake home. A few days later it took a dump.....but there was still a huge lump in it. A copuple of days later it regurgitated a rattlesnake head and about 6 inches of neck, a Arizona Black rattlesnake that would have been longer than the gopher snake.

So yes, gopher snakes can and do eat rattlesnakes.

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

This is the kind of stuff I come here for.
Thanks.

No kidding, thats a cool story man.
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Gerard
www.livebaitclip.com

"I fight knowledge with ignorance"HAHAhaha..............

Bob, keeping pits is always more attractive!!! HAHA!!!

A jelly brooks to keep it king related:

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Genesis 1:1

Bob, keeping pits is always more attractive!!! HAHA!!!
Be careful; you might get a fight started over pituophis vs lampropeltis...like dogs vs cats, that sort of thing.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

I would not worry about it. Maturity abounds with the pit keepers much more than a select few with kings.

Trust me on this one!!

By the way, I have always enjoyed pics of your bullsnakes!!
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Genesis 1:1

Glad you like my bulls. Will post some new pics in the pituophis form in awhile.

One thing I learned about co-habitating my snakes is they don't eat each other, they breed! ( both kings and pits!)So next year maybe I will have to either get them to take an oath of celibacy or separate them during the breeding season or I will soon have a zillion snakes!
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Corn keeping is pretty attactive too!

And back on topic:

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Kent

1.1 Hypo (het lavender, striped) corn snakes, 2010
1.2 Gray-banded king snakes, blairs phase, 2008
0.0.10 Gray-banded king snakes, 2011
1.1 Oregon rubber boas, w/c 2000 and something

Colossians 3:17

Or keeping fence lizards!
More kids tend to post in fence lizard forums and there is often some silly kid arguing going on, but then they are actual kids.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

I'm gonna definately have to pick up some pits soon! Now where can I put them, lol?
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

Get rid of some of those kings, and get some real snakes!!

Put them together..so they..( snicker....chuckle..) Sorry...could not resist.

Get at least one of each: Bull, pine, gopher.

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Genesis 1:1

>>Get rid of some of those kings, and get some real snakes!!
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>>Put them together..so they..( snicker....chuckle..) Sorry...could not resist.
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>>Get at least one of each: Bull, pine, gopher.
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>>Genesis 1:1

Is one of those an Applegate?
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

Yes sir, it is an Applegate.
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Genesis 1:1

or like me keep pits and kings and milks and ratsnakes and boas and axolotl, etc. of course kings being my personal fave i mainly post here, as for the bickering yeah well it should be controled more being we all are adults i think... and cindy does a great job but yeah the keyboard warrior crap does get outta hand and is why lots of folks dont bother. i really enjoy the shows like daytona to put names to the people its then you realize w o w OK NOW IT MAKES SENSE
opinions are like elbows we all have a right one!
,,,,,,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

Yeah, I cant wait to meet you Thomas.
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Gerard
www.livebaitclip.com

"I fight knowledge with ignorance"HAHAhaha..............

oooooo your s c a r y...
i cant wait either gerry i love meeting snake folks. im at most all of the texas and la shows and i am trying to get to daytona this year.

,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

S C A R Y??? I just want to buy you a beer. I want you to sit down and explain the whole there is no ssp. thing again.Like I told you. You changed my mind. Dont hide or divide! Lets drink! You me and Rianre. Best buds! You have alot of snakes I need little buddy. Im sure we can find some Ole Milwaukees for you guys. It will be fun. If I dont make it to the show Im only 40 minutes away. We can meet up. Hope your thirsty.
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Gerard
www.livebaitclip.com

"I fight knowledge with ignorance"HAHAhaha..............

im not a big drinker but sure id have a beer and discuss my opinion about ssp. absolutely LOVE to!!! and by all means iffin you make it to texas drinks and tacos will be on me.
,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

Oh yeah, you can explain the DIVISION thing too.
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Gerard
www.livebaitclip.com

"I fight knowledge with ignorance"HAHAhaha..............

yes i will be happy to discuss the division, and my view on ssp. and you can discuss baitclips and cobras it'll be fun!
,,,,,,,,,thomas
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

Because I lost count of how many drinks you owe me. I am attending this year.
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Cindy Steinle
PHFaust
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check out the archives between 2001-2004 or so, you'll see the pit forum isn't necessarily better than this, lol
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odelay odelay odelay hee hoooo...
heeeeya huhhhh!
~Back in the saddle (Aerosmith)

This forum is usually great. There is 2 people that always ignite a simple question that usually has already been answered and talked about peacefully. If those people would just stop it or even better take it somewhere else this forum would be back to the best.
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Gerard
www.livebaitclip.com

"I fight knowledge with ignorance"HAHAhaha..............

I have been trying, but I guess I have been waging a losing battle. truth is certain members here push my buttons and, I snap! But I am going to try to avoid directly responding to certain posters, for the peace of this board! I suggest others do the same.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

There is really something about you colubrid boys.

We python folk are so much better behaved.
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Cindy Steinle
PHFaust
Visit kingsnake on Facebook!
Follow Kingsnake on Twitter!

You know they say owners are like their pets? Kingsnakes do eat each other, lol!
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

The milksnake forum has always been very respectable with some very knowledgeable friendly folks too. Only when a couple trolls popped in did it ever get nasty.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com