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Double Homozygote ~ Peanut Butter x New England Axanthic Double Het Pairing

The result of breeding the hets from a Jelly x Blaze pairing (More pipping now)

Thanks for looking

Jeremy Thompson
Captive Born Investments Inc.

Oh yeah! thats a prety great piture and shes relly beatiful to but that red one she is relly to obeast! Look how fat she is! Feed her less rats and mice so shes healthy! keep up the great work and dont give up trying to!

>>Oh yeah! thats a prety great piture and shes relly beatiful to but that red one she is relly to obeast! Look how fat she is! Feed her less rats and mice so shes healthy! keep up the great work and dont give up trying to!

I still think this is JS........no one can be this annoying on accident.........lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Either JS or it was one heck of a nasty blow after about May 24th..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Unless he moved, there are no bullsnakes and such where JS resides.
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Joe

LOL!! yeah, and the other post's previous to May 24th don't look like posts JS would right at all to me either, nor Hubbs and such..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Jeremy,

That first snake is a trip!!!

Thanks for posting!!
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Genesis 1:1

Oh yeah but that next ones relly FAT!!!!!!! and thanks for saying things back to me D!

Thanks Billy, I'm sure he will look better once he sheds too

Jeremy Thompson
Captive Born Investments Inc.

Oh YeAh your welcomed much! She's BEATIFUL TO!!!! But my names not BILLY neither!

A RED FAAZED BULL SNAKE*

Jeremy, are sure there's not a missing sibling that was in with the last snake!! Awesome animals and the last one has the body of a ball python.

Joe

Oh yeah see what I mean!!! You must incibate those ones all by themselves to and so thats why they get fat like that! What kinds OF SNAKES is that red one? And I know its not bred by a BALL PYTHON either its soem kind of KING SNAKE to "JOECOP". BALL PYTHONs wont mate to a smaller SNAKE like that one but i gess if they did thats what it would look like. Thanks for saying things back to me about this.

Haha thank goodness there isn't, all of them are coming out looking great and the last thing I need is one missing lol! Anyways thanks Joe, more to come...

Jeremy Thompson
Captive Born Investments Inc.

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Gerard
www.livebaitclip.com

"I fight knowledge with ignorance"HAHAhaha..............

What would you guys call the top snake if you could pick a name? It is a PB x Axanthic double homozygote and Rainer and I have been calling them "Peanutbutter ghosts"... but we both feel that that is inaccurate. A PB Ghost is a Triple visual... not this double.

Jeremy Thompson
Captive Born Investments Inc.

The Brown Hole !
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Gerard
www.livebaitclip.com

"I fight knowledge with ignorance"HAHAhaha..............

Jam
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

No NOT that that sounds to much and makes me think of buthole to.

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

WHITE NUTZ!!!!!

Jeremy, first off let me say nice neo's even though I couldn't tell any of them apart but am learning......FL King morphs have been really hard to learn for sure.....

Now for the naming, correct me if I am wrong but NE phase usually turns the snake "white" and PB phase has a caramel/peanut butter color. Why not call them "White Nuts" or maybe "New Pea's"
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Jimmy Tintle

No that's even STUPIDER then Brown hole that makes me think of Buthole! STUPIDER!!!!

and such! Pleeze talk back to me...why u cal me sutpid???
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Jimmy Tintle

OH yeah WHAT EV!!!!! Keep it up making fun with me!!!! "K"IDDIE "C"AR TRADER and ill go out of her in thisSNAKE ClUB FORM! Things had better go BACK to the ways they were along time ago!!!!!!!!

Kiddie Car Trader ROTFLMFAO!!!!!! Now that's Funny!!!!
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Jimmy Tintle

Well than call it the AMAZING DORKS SAYER" for all the dorks doofises, duweebs and dimwitteses on in HErE!!!! ALL the timE!!!!

Now for the naming, correct me if I am wrong but NE phase usually turns the snake "white" and PB phase has a caramel/peanut butter color. Why not call them "White Nuts" or maybe "New Pea's

The New England axanthic is just a line of axanthic brooks founded by breeders in the New England states. It has nothing to do with their locality nor is it a morph.

originall there were two lines of axantics discovered. one was called the Lemke line and the other the NE line. A true NE is kept pure and not outbred. Because it is the orig phenotype that cuses a more white Ghost looking animal. The Lemke line was darker as a baby and a pretty blue when born. But the founding stock had fertility problems. So the lemke line was bred out and has continued being outbred for about 18 years. The Lemke line of animals is where most of the axanthics came from. T

he NEW england line was kept pure by breders because of the locale (old canal stock) and the beautiful ghost like appearance that they turn into adults. ..especially the males! Newborns have a drab appearnace and some even a brownish look. But they turn out georgeous . Problem now that i see is people are selling NE axanthics that are outcrossed and calling them NE axathics. When in fact they are ruined by crossing them with the lemke line. And they should not be called NE axanthics.

Also big price difference between a pure NE axanthic which go for $125 and the Lemkes (generics) axanthic for $20-$35.
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www.Bluerosy.com

Rainer Thanks! I have to be truthfully honest with you, I opened that post expecting a harsh reply, but to my surprise I wound up with a great description of what I was looking for.....Thanks!
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Jimmy Tintle

So what is the PRECISE origin of BHB's axanthic line?. Were they Lemke's or NE's that Brian outcrossed to his own normal stock to get his own line going?, or is there no real visual difference, just his BHB name?..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Oh Crap, there is a BHB line too, anyone have all this written down??? I stopped trying to figure out corn snake morphs now I think FL Kings are just as bad....I don't know how you guys keep up with it all!
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Jimmy Tintle

BHB does not have his own line of axanthics. He has his own line of aneries. He often calls his aneries axanthics and axanthics aneries, but look at his ads. I have talked to him about this and he does what he chooses. He also often calls "Anery Hogs" "Axanthic Hogs". Hope that clarified that. And his Axanthics are Lemkes.

Jeremy Thompson
Captive Born Investments Inc.

The real problem with axanthics and the so-called "anerythristic" floridana is that neither one have any red(erythrin) to their color scheme anyway. But the term axanthics are very accurately termed genetically, but the anery's are not due to the "red" factor. Some normal floridana have absolutely zero red whatsoever normally, so what they are actually called in morph state would all depend on if that particular line normally involved red in the first place.

The way I see it is that the anery's are simply drabber, more black and white forms of axanthics that don't speckle up like the other axanthic lines as they mature. Similar to the way cane-field floridana do not speckle up like many other floridana found elsewhere often do.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Aneries display some yellow but not reds. Axanthics display some reds but not yellows. Axanthics are purple and part of the purple makeup is a red tint, as well as a blue. These red and blue hues make the animal appear purple. You see this even better in a ghosts (less dark pigment) as well as the triple visual PB x Axanthic x Hypo

Jeremy Thompson
Captive Born Investments Inc.

Yeah, I was very aware that anery's display some very light butter/beige color quite often, but I didn't know that any axanthics showed any red. I will have to eyeball some more babies sometime soon with very close scrutiny. It would indeed tend to explain the purplish hue.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Yea, that's where I see the "red"... in the purple. Axanthics are a really sweet morph, Rainer should post some OT pics of his axanthic rosies that he used to produce...

Jeremy Thompson
Captive Born Investments Inc.

Yeah, they are nice, especially some of the NE with insane basal speckling!..

Yeah, I remember the axanthic Rosies he had. As I recall they had a defective gene and would die very young out of the blue time after time,..right?

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Yep, much like the Pearls in BPs. Lethal gene linked to the visual phenotype.

Jeremy Thompson
Captive Born Investments Inc.

CBI is correct. BHB has his own anerys. he used the names anery and axanthic interchangably.
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www.Bluerosy.com

Boy not like this Morphology isn't bad enough, you then have people using morph names on two different morphs....Wow, glad some of you guys can distinguish between them. The poor newbees that get sold one thing to only find out it's another and then to find out it has a different ssp in it......I am starting to feel like the little computer dude at the bottom of Rainer's signature. Good luck guys, there is no way I am stepping into that FL King arena....
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Jimmy Tintle

Thats right. Who knows what the hell is in there now. I know where my nice normals came from down to the bush. Thats all Im keeping.
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Gerard
www.livebaitclip.com

"I fight knowledge with ignorance"HAHAhaha..............

" I know where my nice normals came from down to the bush"

Ain't that the truth homie!. "Google Earth" knows RIGHT were those bad boys originated..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

I have to agree with you there, I think if I ever step foot into that arena I will be taking my happy a$$ out in the field and collecting my own. I have seen some suWeeT HillSborouGH CountY FL Kings PosTed!!!
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Jimmy Tintle

That is what I have. A female axanthic from BHB. When I posted her on here you and others said she looked like a New England Axanthic. because of all the blue on her. She is doing great now and has started to loose her thick banding and started to speckle nicely. She just ate last night or I would show you a picture of her. her she is when I first got her.

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Tom S
1.1 Flame Lampropeltis getla Floridana
1.0 Hypomelanistic Lampropeltis getula Floridana
0.1 Axanthic Lampropeltis getula Floridana
0.1 Hypomelanistic Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis
1.0 Anerythristic Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis

Yeah, that one looks to be axanthic without question. He probably has all sorts of anery's and axanthics there at his facility. And from what the other guys said about them some might recieve either or on any given day, who knows. I like that one alot man!

Hopefully it speckles up drastically for you too like other nice axanthics do. Best of luck with it, and show us some progression shots as it matures..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

this is her a month or so after the first picture.

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Tom S
1.1 Flame Lampropeltis getla Floridana
1.0 Hypomelanistic Lampropeltis getula Floridana
0.1 Axanthic Lampropeltis getula Floridana
0.1 Hypomelanistic Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis
1.0 Anerythristic Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis

That is a geric lemke. BHB had originated a line of anerys with his name. he just uses the two term anery and axanthic interchangable when he talks to people.

And he is correct in using both terms from a genetic standpoint. But from a hobbiest standpoint. I don't think he cares.
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www.Bluerosy.com

Boy, you can see she's really taking off nicely bro!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

she is even better then that what a few days and i will post some updated pictures of her. And she is one sweet snake too.
Thanks
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Tom S
1.1 Flame Lampropeltis getla Floridana
1.0 Hypomelanistic Lampropeltis getula Floridana
0.1 Axanthic Lampropeltis getula Floridana
0.1 Hypomelanistic Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis
1.0 Anerythristic Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis

I definitely agree!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

I love that morph.
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"Problem now that i see is people are selling NE axanthics that are outcrossed and calling them NE axathics. When in fact they are ruined by crossing them with the lemke line. And they should not be called NE axanthics."

a axanthic is a axanthic is a axanthic........ They are all Foridana so how can they be ruined? Right?
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Gerard
www.livebaitclip.com

"I fight knowledge with ignorance"HAHAhaha..............

New England Axanthics and Lemke Axanthics look VERY different. An axanthic is not an axanthic is not an axanthic. The double visual I produced and posted is not a visual NE Axanthic, but it has some of the influences from the line. I will post pics of my adult pair of NEs as well as some of my adult Lemkes. Night and day

Jeremy Thompson
Captive Born Investments Inc.

As Rainer said, they look similar as babies, but by the time they are adults, it is obvious. Here is a baby comparison shot.

NE vs Lemke

And NE vs Anery

Hope that helps some, more comparison shots tomorrow when the sun is out.

Jeremy Thompson
Captive Born Investments Inc.

I was making a joke. I am aware of the lines. Thanks!
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Gerard
www.livebaitclip.com

"I fight knowledge with ignorance"HAHAhaha..............

How long before the anery starts to turn brown and yellow? Just would like to know.
Thanks
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Tom S
1.1 Flame Lampropeltis getla Floridana
1.0 Hypomelanistic Lampropeltis getula Floridana
0.1 Axanthic Lampropeltis getula Floridana
0.1 Hypomelanistic Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis
1.0 Anerythristic Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis

I personally don't work with any lines of aneries that turn brown. I know the BHB line of aneries do not look the best when they mature, but when mixed with other phenotypes such as the flame line or sulfur line (007 line) they can be spectacular, and do not brown out. Maybe someone else can chime in and help?

The anery in the comparison shot is from Tom Stevens and it has sulfur influence (Sulfur snow). I gave it to a buddy of mine down here and last time I saw it it was very white.

I also know the flame aneries don't "brown out". Have you seen Zenny's??? Here are some flame aneries that I hatched, they will whiten up with age. I plan on keeping 2.6 back, so I will post updates regularly.

Jeremy Thompson
Captive Born Investments Inc.

Thanks for the help. I also have a pair of pair of flames. I just might have to let the male breed to her when they are ready. Thanks again
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Tom S
1.1 Flame Lampropeltis getla Floridana
1.0 Hypomelanistic Lampropeltis getula Floridana
0.1 Axanthic Lampropeltis getula Floridana
0.1 Hypomelanistic Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis
1.0 Anerythristic Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis

That's fine, but with these "jokes" those who do not know the lines could easily get confused. I feel that you saying "axanthics are axanthics are axanthics" lumps the two together when they are nowhere near equivalent. No hard feelings, just want those who are not familiar with the lines to have it clear and have examples, that's all.

Jeremy Thompson
Captive Born Investments Inc.

Thats why your here to clairify bud. I think a little joke is the least of the problems...
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Gerard
www.livebaitclip.com

"I fight knowledge with ignorance"HAHAhaha..............

No problem man, glad I could help

This guy is getting better with every shed!

Jeremy Thompson
Captive Born Investments Inc.

Smoking!! What morph is that????
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Genesis 1:1

"I dont like you for you."

Whats funny is you actually think I care.

Hmm, remmeber this statement you made from earlier today? And that was right after i offerred a truce. I also pateintly and publicly explained some rumers you heard. I was also very sincere about starting over and respecting one another.But noooo, that was not good enough for you and you post more crap. Then you keep bringing things up and satting it at the top saying i am the problem.

Hey grasshopper boy. Do you realize this was all in the last 48 hours. And you have been posting here how long? You really want to keep this up?

Can't wait to see how far you will continue to bring this forum down.

In the meantime here is one of you last posts from down below.

Just tells us how you really feel. LOL!:

"FACT: when your not on here for awhile its fun and everyone gets along.

Lets save space on here and email me. Then I can say how I really feel about you!!!!!!!
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Gerard "

You certainly didn't major in logic. lol!
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www.Bluerosy.com

It was a funny joke. "Think you care", I dont think you can think that much. I said those snakes where nice. You need to learn to shut your mouth and mind your place. If I make a joke and you cant think of a good one back dont start acting like your anything close to a bad ass. I like this thread. Once again there was no problems until you opened your trap. As for the quote of mine you put. Read all the nosense you put before that son. Now here you are hijacking this guys thread that everyone was enjoying. I have no interest in you. Go away and let this guys post keep going the way it was. This is your buddys thread too. If you want to talk to me EMAIL me. Stop ruining this place Rianre. As for not majoring in logic your right but what grade do they teach spelling? If you want to talk to me anymore about nonsense email. Otherwise shut your trap. Win/win. I wont respond to you about this anymore here and waste peoples time. Lets see if you have the testicular fortitude to email me. I AM SORRY TO EVERYONE ELSE ON HERE. I am trying to keep this crap out. Lets see if the other side can handle it. Sorry again to the original poster. This has nothing to do with your animals or your post. Just this idiot. Good night!
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Gerard
www.livebaitclip.com

"I fight knowledge with ignorance"HAHAhaha..............

Thanks for posting those. I'm one of those that don't know the difference.
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*GASP* What?!!!!! Not so fast there, guy. "An axanthix is an axanthic is an axanthic"? Not on your life! LOL! NE's vs Lemke's are like night and day...Literally. I waited and waited, until I came across a small group of non-crossed, Fengya Line NE's and I'm glad I did. And it was worth the wait. Here's a sub-adult male that has already lighted up so much he looks like a completely different snake than when I got him.

*GASP* the hell you speak! I still can't believe what you said - your mother should wash your mouth out with bleach.

Hope u enjoy the pics even though they posted sideways for some dumbass reason.

Ok! Calm down. It was a hybrid joke intended for Gilligan and the skipper too. I dont like any brooksi morph except the Love hypos an NE axanthics. They are nice and pure. Those are some SWEET animals you have there man. Very very nice...
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Gerard
www.livebaitclip.com

"I fight knowledge with ignorance"HAHAhaha..............

Thank you sir.

The whispering eye.
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Gerard
www.livebaitclip.com

"I fight knowledge with ignorance"HAHAhaha..............

That's a koreeen SNAD Boa! I looked it up in the KING SNAKE.com websites and such!

dude., i don't know who you are but you are funny as hell. Something this forum needs is some laughter.
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www.Bluerosy.com

ROTFLMAO. That's funny.