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Seven new tangerine albino Hondurans today! I am so excited because I did not know if they would make it after the first egg started to collapse and ultimately die. Hopefully the other eggs I have in the incubator will all hatch out and help me turn around this season. Unfortunately I lost a snow Honduran female to a tumor and her entire 12 egg clutch over the subsequent four weeks. This was a big loss to me as she was not just a breeder but a pet.

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-- Wayne Thompson

Breeding Ball Pythons and Honduran Milk Snakes!

Sweet looking albinos, Wayne.

very nice!

that one in the bottom has a super high band count. do the parents share that quality?

The pair which produced these offspring are in the pictures below. The male is shown in the top image and the female in the bottom image. The parents have similar band counts to the neonate shown in the original photo. The females band count is one off an exact match.

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-- Wayne Thompson

Breeding Ball Pythons and Honduran Milk Snakes!

Female, sorry about the double post of the male.

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-- Wayne Thompson

Breeding Ball Pythons and Honduran Milk Snakes!

The parents for this clutch are both het hypo. Usually I get one animal, sometime more, which have a lighter glowing appearance. An example is below. Have any other breeders produced hybinos and had offspring which look like this? In the past I kept a neonate which was visually similar to the below specimen and test bred it to a hypo and had hypo offspring. Any thoughts?

Here is a comparision picture showing a possible hybino on the bottom and a "normal" tangerine albino on top as indicated by the arrows.

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-- Wayne Thompson

Breeding Ball Pythons and Honduran Milk Snakes!

He's gorgeous, Wayne. that almost golden glow is nice. I take it more of the clutchmates are also hybino, just not as distinct looking.

--Dennis

There are two (1.1) hybinos based soley on appearance.
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-- Wayne Thompson

Breeding Ball Pythons and Honduran Milk Snakes!

I like the one you are pointing out...but I also like the top one you have an arrow on...those would be my two guesses at Hybinos.

Of course there is no way, that I'm aware of, to tell a Hybino given the information on the sire and dame.

Nice lookin Hondos Wayne.

-Rusty

Yeah, there is NO WAY to visualy know if you are looking at a hybino,a albino or a albino het hypo.I have produced about 15 KNOWN hybinos and they are all over the scale.I have produced really dull looking ones to super bright ones and everything in between.
Test breeding or two hypos (or ghosts) het amel are the only way you know for sure.Guess all you want but you just can't tel.

L8r
Shannon

p.s. this pic shows a couple of Known hybinos just for fun.would you have guessed?

You forgot to mention...a Pearl (or Opal) paired to a Hypo het Snow (or Ghost het Amel)

Or

Hybino to Hypo het Amel...or a ...well there are many ways!

That tricolor Hybino is my favorite...but I love that tangerine's eyes...killer!

-R

you were talking about test breeding...my bad!

-R

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Anyway, yeah, I agree 100% on this with you and Shannon. Just forget about distinguishing any hybinos by looking. If it is ever done by chance and one proves out to be a known hybino later on by it's looks alone, then it was PURELY by luck, and not because they necessarily look any different from any normal variations of amels. The TOTAL ABSENCE of melanism from the amel gene masks ANY reduced melanin caused from the hypo gene also being present. Any other colors that are there are simply the other remaining underlying pigments in purer form that they would normally have before the melanin was absent. simple as that.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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They sure are bright! Be sure to post post-shed photos.

I feel your pain about losing an animal. I think we've all been there - sorry for your loss.

-Cole