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75/25 mongrel kings

thomas davis Jul 17, 2011 08:43 PM

these are the product of breeding a 50/50 mongrel which is lg.fla.Xlg.nigritus to a true brooks fla. resulting in 75/25s whats fun is there is lav. in the brooks so now these normals are all PH ws, axanthic, lav.. other main differances are the sheer SIZE easily twice the size of the first F2 50/50 mongrels
the eggs were HUGE... 9 total 2 ws 7 PH's!!!









another clutch of 50/50 mongrels due in a few weeks

and just cuz they SO DAMN CUTE!


some TOUCHY BREEDINGS happening here as well...


,,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

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Replies (16)

Jlassiter Jul 17, 2011 09:58 PM

Interesting Thomas........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

JYohe Jul 18, 2011 06:31 PM

cool whitesided....

and it doesn't matter...50 50...25 75 or 100% pure whatever....

20 buck$ is 20 buck$ brother....(that's what we get at most )...

good luck and have fun......!!!

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........JY

thomas davis Jul 18, 2011 07:43 PM

thanks and i agree have fun, thats what it should be all about, unfortunately its not.

daytona? you goin?

,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

JYohe Jul 19, 2011 04:53 PM

No Daytona...and it died since I been there...just once....2002....it was just about still cool then....I hear all boring reviews now....all say ...Chicago I think...?..Tinley is it?....is the place to be?....too long a drive for me....and who would feed the mice....20 years...can't go anywhere...when will it end?....LOL...

(*when I sell all but a few rat eating balls and buy the rats)...

.....Fun.....and good luck to you all....

kings do not sell here in PA....neither do bulls, corns, milks...hey...nothing is worth anything anymore....boas...balls...nadda....

...LOL
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DISCERN Jul 19, 2011 05:21 PM

Nothing is worth anything anymore?

Any snake is worth anything you are willing to pay.

Daytona has always been fun, and have gone every year it has been going on. Great for buyers, always. As far as boring, that is all relative. You make out of it what you put into it.

I always find screaming deals on choice specimens, have so every year, and I know many who do very well selling every year. Some do poorly compared to others though, but overall, like I said, you get out of it what you put into it.
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mbrawley Jul 19, 2011 05:57 PM

"Any snake is worth anything you are willing to pay."

AMEN BROTHER. So true. Just look at the BP market. A bunch of morphs that ALL result in similar earthy tones with NO real color, a few "kind of" cool patterns, coupled with sucky personalities...yet $2-3000. price tags are common place, and PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO PAY IT. Im still not 100% convinced there's actually as many different genes as these guys claim. Too many of them look way too similar to begin with, and the co-dom supers result in virtually identical looking snakes. I really don't know though. What I do know, is that the BP masses are all VERY much still enthused about them, and they're going strong. Many colubrid enthusiasts are, well, NOT that enthused anymore it seems. LOL! I'm guessing the BP craze will eventually end up the same way. History tends to repeat itself. Also, most (or at least "a lot"of BP breeders only see $ signs. All of the colubrid people I know, and even the ones I don't know, but on this forum, seem to have a greater appreciation for the snakes they collect, breed, sell, study - whatever. Clearly, most of US, are NOT solely in this for the $...and although it has it's draw backs for those of us who do try to make a buck or two, I think it's not neccesarily a bad thing. I wish John Q Public would be as excited about kings and milks again, as all of us are. You get SO MUCH more for your money when you buy a giant, colorful, curious, and active florida morph, or tri-spectacularly colored king. Even the hog guys are going strong. $1800-2000 for an anery hog? More power to them.

Just my observations and opinion.

DISCERN Jul 19, 2011 06:48 PM

"Just look at the BP market. A bunch of morphs that ALL result in similar earthy tones with NO real color, a few "kind of" cool patterns, coupled with sucky personalities...yet $2-3000. price tags are common place, and PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO PAY IT. Im still not 100% convinced there's actually as many different genes as these guys claim. Too many of them look way too similar to begin with, and the co-dom supers result in virtually identical looking snakes. "

" Even the hog guys are going strong. $1800-2000 for an anery hog? More power to them. "

Bro, it is all about money with those scenes. Anytime, when all you see is a weight scale in every photo with the snakes, it is all showing the underlining message. " Make Money!! "

Not a bad thing to make money, but when it gives off the impression that these animals are just something to make money off of, or all that they care about is " ooooooooo..how much does it weigh..so I can make back on my investment ASAP! ( said with Andrew Dice Clay voice...)"....then you know what is goin on. All about money. Most get sold to other breeders, or others who are getting into the market. Not some average joe off of the street that is looking for a pet.

Oh..and the many different kinds of supposed morphs within the ball python scene? Come on! HAHA! Very funny...." ooooo...a different shade of a normal morph...now I gotta name me a new morph!! "...seriously...if that is the case,..then all different shades of a brooks, southern pine, grayband, etc..should all be named different morphs. I now have even read about a Disco morph! HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is all about money.

How much of the biological and scientific facts do these scenesters care about, regarding the ball pythons? Do they really read up about them, in regards to range found in the wild? Do they get excited about their breeding habits, with just being excited about knowledge?? Do they observe them in captivity, I mean..really observe each individual specimen? You see what I am getting at???

I noticed over a period of months that my little hypo brooks female, when she smells food, presses her tail up against the cage, and takes about the last 1 inch section of her tail only, and rattles that section only, with excitement about the smell of food. It is very cute! And that may not be even something confined to herself in particular, maybe other brooks do it. My point is, I was astounded by observing her behaviour, and it is all the fun of learning about her as I watch her grow.

Or when I read about the nesting behaviours of northern pine snakes, my all time favorite snakes. I thought I had just read the most exciting literature of my life!!! haha!!!!!!

See..like you said..the king snake scene seems primarily populated by those who are just excited about the snakes. Same with the pit scene, with my perspective. That is how it should be.

Good post Micah!!!

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Tony D Jul 19, 2011 07:09 PM

Stop posting that pine snake! I can't keep them here in NC and its making me what to move. If I told the wife we're moving so I can keep northerns she's have me committed.
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DISCERN Jul 20, 2011 12:40 PM

Ooooooopss..here is another..haha!!!

Sorry Tony!! LOL!!!


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Bluerosy Jul 20, 2011 05:20 PM

"Ooooooopss..here is another..haha!!!

Looks like kingsnake food to me. Or I can breed it to a king after I bong them.LOL!

So whats the diffence between posting a pitophus or a hybrid? Your pitophus definetly does not have any king in it. So it does not belong here//so maybe we should complain about that, eh?
This is just as much a violation of as this.

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DISCERN Jul 20, 2011 05:31 PM

Son,

Your immature and provoking-trouble reply shows what you do on this forum. You incite trouble, and you are a wanna-be internet bully. The fact I am even wasting my time acknowledging your childish post makes me want the .46 back I spent typing this out.

Let me correct you really quick.

" Looks like kingsnake food to me. Or I can breed it to a king after I bong them.LOL! "

You said 'bong'. Hmmmm...wonder why? Connection of sorts??
Also, none of my adult pines could be kingsnake food..as they are bigger than any kingsnakes.

I posted a pic of a pit ALONG with a graybanded king ( which is this animal called a kingsnake. ) because Tony made a lighthearted comment. It is called being lighthearted. I then was lighthearted back with another pine. But see...you are not used to doing so or being like that. You are used to causing trouble.

The pic you showed was not a pure snake of any sorts, it is just a snake that is a product of biological perversion. Since that snake is not a real kingsnake, then it would not belong on here. The snakes I posted were actually real species of snakes, which I included the graybanded kingsnake pic to remain on topic. See the difference? Do you know the differences between pinesnakes and kingsnakes are? If not, please read about them, as they are very interesting.

So, in all, stop boring the forum with repeated attempts of wanting to be a bully. Grow up. Bye.

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Genesis 1:1

thomas davis Jul 20, 2011 06:27 PM

it really took you .46 to type that out?
well that explains alot.

next
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

DISCERN Jul 20, 2011 06:32 PM

.46 is actually a term for 46 seconds Thomas. That means I am a fast typist.

LOL!!!

Anyways..have a good one.
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Genesis 1:1

Bluerosy Jul 20, 2011 11:32 PM

Here Billy,

Why don't you just sit and watch this.

Beause it is about as on topic and your regular snafu.
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thomas davis Jul 21, 2011 01:41 PM

yeah, but billy can type fast

lmao
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

mbrawley Jul 19, 2011 08:20 PM

Thanks for the expansion, Billy. You dotted my "I's" and crossed my "T's".

I want to clarify something and add to what I just said though. I have ZERO problem with the prices of BP's and Hogs. I'm glad for it. If people want, and are willing to pay for them, great. Those markets are strong, and very popular, as was the colubrid market in years past.

A reoccuring topic that often comes up as a "blip" on the radar screen here, is the very frequent "Hey are you gonna be at Daytona this year?". Or "have you been to any good shows yet, this year?". Etc etc. You all get the idea.

My point is this: Clearly, EVERYONE that participates in these exchanges - whether it be Rainer, Jeremy, Kerby, Doug, Jorge, Thomas and Gerard (to name just a few) or whomever; pretty much all the "regulars" on this forum, in spite of their sometimes heated debates on feeding and husbandry issues, share this one very important concern. Successful, profitable, and jam-packed reptile shows. This is (I believe) what we ALL want and agree on inspite of all the other distractions that get everyone worked up and ready to go to war with eachother. Haha! It's true. We all want the colubrid market to kick ass like it used to. I think it wouldn't hurt if we took the time to try and duplicate what it is that's making these other markets so successful. The difference is, we ALSO have the passion and appreciation for all the facets of what we do and the animals we prefer. In that regard, we have something at least the majority of BP breeders and collectors do NOT. And this is an advantage to the colubrid enthusiasts as a whole.

Everyone should be thankful for those who are attempting to push the colubrid market forward as it relates to new and different morphs. All other differences aside, guys like Jeremy, Rainer, Kerby, Zenny and SO many others, are a benefit to our collective interests in our beloved hobby. Whether your a purist, an idealist, a fulltime breeder/capitalist, or a recreational hobbyist, we ALL have a valid place here and should work together to promote eachother's success...AND equally, if not more so, our animals we all love and tirelessly care for.

Our success is not measured by how much money we make. It is measured on an individual basis, person to person dependant on his/her goals and personal acheivements no matter what that may be. Above all though, we must always put our animal's health and well being before any aspirations of personal gain. Here's to FR. Cheers. *CLINk*

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