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If you guys remember I posted about a week ago that I had bred a pair of normal looking banded albino cal kings together and hatched out 6 normals and one albino.They just shed out and I got a couple decent pics.I wonder what they are?The only gene out there that I know of masking the amel gene is a t plus gene.Maybe they are t plus? they are a little different for sure and I wouldn't say they are normals but they aren't really a true looking hypo either? another weird thing is that all 6 regular babies are banded and the only albino to hatch is striped and aberrant.LOL....weird...They almost have blue eyes too.They almost look axanthic but Im not sure they are.
I did hear the other day that Mark Bell had a line of albino cal kings years ago hat wasn't compatible with the other.I will keep the albino female and a pair of the normals and se what happens in a couple years just for fun.

L8r Shannon

It sounds like it is 2 different albino genes.

I have bred numerous different recessive genes together and instead of getting "normal" double hets I end of with "hypo" looking babies.

So it is almost becoming the norm.

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

Yep, thats what I am thinking too,and I bet the only reason I got one albino is cause one of the adults was het for the other gene and I just got bad odds.I could have just as easy got 3 or 4 albinos (about half).

I used to have hets (albino) and breed those hets together and sometimes I would get 8-9 albinos out of a clutch of 14 eggs. And then I had 2 years (not in a row) where I got ZERO albinos from those same pairings. If I would have sold those and someone bred them and got ZERO albinos.....they would have called me a liar! LOL

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

Kerby,

I had similar results. I would breed het-albinos to each other, and get lik 75 % albinos! I then bought a different het-albino male one year, bred to the same main breeder het-albino female, and got 1 albino!!

Strange.
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Genesis 1:1

I think the amel gene is non-allelic with the other amel gene is all. I don't see any axanthism there either because there is very noticable yellow in them. I seriously doubt t-plus has anything to do with it, but it is still somewhat possible I guess, just a much lighter(extreme) form if it is.

Pretty weird whatever the case..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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I've posted this before, but I bred an Albino High White male to a banded Lavender and got aberrant double hets (albino & lavender). One of them came out "hypo" looking woth red eyes.

Here are the parents

As a baby with a normal looking high white. You can see the definite "hypo" look.

And then more pics.

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

Yep,I would have called that a hypo for sure.

And it gets weirder (if that's a word).....

So I bred a Hypo (Great Valley Serpentarium Lavender) to a Ghost (het Albino). I was expecting normal looking babies that would be double hets..........but NOOOOOOO.

Here are the parents:

Clutch shot of the "normal" double hets (Ghost & Hypo) and possible triple hets (Ghost, Hypo, Albino).

Comparison of the double het "normal" with a normal cal king

I then kept the clutch of "normal" looking double hets/possible triple hets and bred them back together last year and produced the gems!

So when breeding 2 recessive genes, your normal double het babies may not be normal looking at all.

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

>>So I bred a Hypo (Great Valley Serpentarium Lavender) to a Ghost (het Albino). I was expecting normal looking babies that would be double hets..........but NOOOOOOO.

Hi Kerby,

Can you give some more information, educate us cal-king-morph novices? I'm assuming "ghost" in cal king lingo designates a double homozygous animal, maybe hypo (a different kind of hypo than the GVS lavender "hypo"?) and a second morph, maybe anerythristic or axanthic?

If so, I'm confused because it seems if that's the case you'd expect triple hets, not double hets. And they'd be possible quad-hets. Or, if GVS lavendar "hypo" and the "hypo" component of "ghost" are the same, you'd expect to get some hypos, not just "normals" phenotypically.

Plus, what's to say the GVS lavendar wasn't het for some morphs, too? That could also account for morphs (not "normals" phenotypically) in the clutches. I guess I'm both trying to learn more about the terminology and morphs above, AND to figure out why the resulting clutches surprised you so much. Thanks.

Terry

**I'm assuming "ghost" in cal king lingo designates a double homozygous animal,**

No, the term Ghost in cal kings is a single recessive gene.
There are numerous hypo genes in cal kings that are not compatible.

**Or, if GVS lavendar "hypo" and the "hypo" component of "ghost" are the same,**

They are not the same gene, and the Ghost is not compatible with any other cal king recessive gene that I have bred it to.

**Plus, what's to say the GVS lavendar wasn't het for some morphs, too?**

Because I have bred it to just about every cal king recessive gene as well and got normals that were double hets.

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

Keby, you have the coolest looking kingsnake morphs I've ever seen. They look really nice as babies. It would be nice one day if you could show how each one looks after hatching and as an adult. I think you are right about them being visual hets.

**I think you are right about them being visual hets.**

They are not visual hets or ALL of the clutch would be that way. ALL of the babies should be normal looking as they are 100% double hets.

So why do some of the double hets pop out different looking? That is what's puzzling.

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

Who made the rule that the whole clutch must look that way to be visual hets? Your lavender looking double het was an exception to the rule, why can't that not be happening here with the albino? Not arguing, I'm just trying to pick your brain. lol This whole morph thing is still new to me.

Now thats what I call cool.

Whatever they are, Shannon, they're very beautiful animals.

They certainly look hypomelanistic........maybe they are visual double hets similar to the ones Kerby has produced.........

Apparently they are expressing a gene that each one of the parents have.......maybe each one of the parents are carrying another gene that causes the amel look along with this hypo gene.........the strangest part is the fact that an amel hatched.........

They are very cool Shannon......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I'm checking these pictures out from my phon, so its hard to pick up the difference between those and normal but that wide banded is awesome.

very cool , id guess that hypo look is maybe a marker for double hets.
???strange???

,,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

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Your case is even more intriguing than my double lav. hets. I need to do the same thing and save back a pair to breed together and to the mom. BTW the babies are all beautiful.

--Dennis