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To all the professionals in BONDING..

grnpyro Jul 27, 2011 08:51 AM

I have started to put some of my snakes together but had one more question.... If you keep a pair together starting as very young babies and raise them together instead of putting them together at brumation, will they still breed or is there a chance that they will look at themselves as related or something weird????

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Bluerosy Jul 27, 2011 09:28 AM

uHH, NOPE. Why would you even think that?

What you will get is several clutches per year.

Also you must do te bonding process properly.

I hope you read everything that has been written on here and not just throw two snakes together. You start the bonding process during winter. NOT NOW!
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grnpyro Jul 27, 2011 09:34 AM

This question was intended for a different species... not kingsnakes. I posted it here because I know you frequent this forum and I would get an answer. These particular snakes are Dulzura rosy boas and were given to me together as an unrelated pair and I was curious if I should leave them or separate them.

My pyros however I will be introducing at the beginning of brumation. As far as that goes, should I worry about my pyros breeding or will this just not happen??

Bluerosy Jul 27, 2011 01:30 PM

I have a lot of expernce with rosy boas. Used to have 300 breedrs and kept them for many years. They are my favorite snakes..

Leave them together. they will be fine.
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grnpyro Jul 27, 2011 03:26 PM

So just to be clear.... I was given these two babies, you are saying to continue to house them together regardless of the time of year and they should still breed when the time comes with no issues??? Also, will they breed to soon posing health risks??]

Thank you

Bluerosy Jul 27, 2011 05:08 PM

So just to be clear.... I was given these two babies, you are saying to continue to house them together regardless of the time of year and they should still breed when the time comes with no issues??? Also, will they breed to soon posing health risks??

In general I was speaking about kingsnakes. But you have rosy boas. They are not snake eaters. But captive born rosys can get VERY agressive with feeding. Unlike wildcaught rosys which are very mellow. But SOME captive raised rosys get extremly agressive. maybe it is because they are more inteeligent than kingsnakes. I am not sure. But they seem to learn by conditioning whenever a hand comes in to feed them or the cage opens up.

If feeding them together I would make sure to feed them seperate... meaning, let each grab their first mouse and put them in opposite corners of the unit. A rosy will eat anything that smells like mouse. Even hands that don't smell like mice. Captive raised adults are also more, well , how should i put it...more shark like than kingsnakes. Once they latch on. they won't let go. I found this true with with captive raised babies only...and then onl;y some locales. And unlike kingsnakes. They don't let go. Once they are in that kill mode. Their ain't no stopping them.

i personally would house them together when they start feeding on young adult mice. But that is my preference.. Best time to bond them is like any other snake, in winter.
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grnpyro Jul 28, 2011 12:04 AM

Sounds great and thank you for all the input!

rtdunham Jul 27, 2011 12:43 PM

>>uHH, NOPE. Why would you even think that?

Rainer, do you find that "bonded" snakes are willing to breed with mates they weren't bonded with? In other words, are you making a life-of-the-snake commitment to its breeding partner, when you bond them? Or can you break a bonded pair and find that the two snakes will breed just as readily if introduced to mates they've never seen before?

Bluerosy Jul 27, 2011 01:28 PM

I see that my kings in the past are less likely to breed to un-bonded females. They amy even get eaten.usually what happens is you leave them together for several days until one or both calm down from being introduced as viable threats. Of the keeper keeps taking the male in and out of the cage because he is not sure whats happening.

So you can miss a females ovulation by going through all that. And trial and error on the keepers part because the snakes are scared of each other.

I like to keep the snakes I am going to breed to each other in large goups of 5 or 6. Sometimes I have 2-3 males in the unit as well.

When i have to take a high end male out of its colony and place it with a non bonded fmales. I go through all the streses that everyone else does. Then i see that females is not being receptive (even though she was just receptuive to a less desirable male that i wanted her to breed to) or i stay in the snake room with an eye on the pair to see if they latch on or one chases the other to try and eat.

basically with unrelated pairs i go through all the same stress as anyone else does. So do the snakes. I also would not feed them together.
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rtdunham Jul 28, 2011 11:41 AM

thanks!

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