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HEre are some pics of my HYPO LINE!
Hope you like it

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Filip Longhitano
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I really is one of the best hypo's i have seen

From what?
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Facebook Hognose Morph

incredable animal but to be hypo melanistic doesn't the animal have to lack black pigmentation. You should possibly look at finding another choice of names as I think the name hypo in the hognose world comes with some stigma and confusion attached to it. I have hatched more than 40 in the last three years and if I produced somthing with the good looks of that animal the last thing I would do is put it in the same group as the hypo. Lets be clear I am happy with the "HYPOS" I have hatched but that is a cool and different animal. Love to see some other pics and I would love to talk about putting my hands on some of your offspring from that line. Thanks for reading and of course only my opinion hope you take it as so and not as insult,Ted Williams and House of Scales.

incredable animal but to be hypo melanistic doesn't the animal have to lack black pigmentation.

Actually, no. The actual term Hypo means "less than normal" while Hyper means "more than normal". Obviously, melanistic means dark pigmentation. Look the terms up in a dictionary, they are clearly defined. So Hypomelanistic actually means less than normal dark pigmentation which is actually what this animal is showing, a lessening of black pigmentation but not a complete absence of which is what an albino is.

You should possibly look at finding another choice of names as I think the name hypo in the hognose world comes with some stigma and confusion attached to it.

You are absolutely correct, there is a lot of confusion about the Evans "Hypo" which is not a hypomelanistic animal at all because it does not fall into the actual definition of the term. Unfortunately, "Hypo's" have been erroneously called this for a long time and the term has stuck, but it really should be called something else, like an Evan's Albino or at least some kind of form of Albino like how the Pink Pastel's are considered albinos even though they do not look like a classic yellow and red albino. Some of us consider "Hypos" Tpos Albinos although we really don't have much proof of that either other than referring/comparing to what we believe are other Tpos animals that have been so defined.

Either way, I think the term Hypo for the animal shown is fairly spot on whereas we as a community need to reconsider the Evan's Albino as just that, an albino.

Having said that, I'm also still surprised at how many people still call Axanthic hogs as Anerythristic even though that's incorrect as well as several of us have pointed out in the past. Even the originators of both lines, BHB and Russo call their animals Axanthics which is where the the rest of us have gotten ours from, so why do some people still call them Anerythristics?
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Troy Rexroth
Rextiles

Troy, its funny you bring up the "anerythristic" thing... To be honest, I have not even found "anerythristic" to be a real term... This is because eryrhrophores are considered to be xanthophores... This makes animals that lack yellow, orange, and/or red pteridine pigmentation axanthic...

Troy, its funny you bring up the "anerythristic" thing... To be honest, I have not even found "anerythristic" to be a real term... This is because eryrhrophores are considered to be xanthophores... This makes animals that lack yellow, orange, and/or red pteridine pigmentation axanthic...

I would say that there is a lot of confusion about these terms due to poor documentation and web searches bringing up anything really definitive other than reptile sites. However, I do believe that we can make intelligent presumptions based on the little information we do have.

In regards to Anerythrism, we first have to look up the word Erythrism which basically means "Unusual red pigmentation, as of hair or plumage." (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/erythrism , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythrism). Therefore, the adding of "An-", meaning "not; without" (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/an-) to Eyrthrism would denote the opposite definition meaning "without red pigmentation".

Almost the same type of word play is used with Axanthism but instead of adding "An-", we are merely adding "A-" which means exactly the same thing (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/a-). The word Xanthism basically means "a term that may be applied to birds, fish and other animals whose colouration is unusually yellow through an excess of yellow pigment, or possibly a loss of darker pigments that allows yellow pigment to be unusually dominant. It is often associated with the lack of usual red pigmentation and its replacement with yellow" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xanthism , http://www.thefreedictionary.com/xanthism). Axanthism obviously would be the opposite meaning "lacking yellow pigmentation" and possibly red as well depending on whose terminology you want to adhere to.

To be continued...
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Troy Rexroth
Rextiles

Having said all of that, both words are clearly defined regardless of how we choose to understand or apply them to our morphs. However, in regards to Western Hognose snakes, I believe the correct term to use is Axanthism due to the fact that they are completely lacking yellow pigmentation and you never see any yellow leak through as they age. For example, look at Anerythristic Cornsnakes, as they age, there's a variable amount of yellow that eventually leaks through and this is also seen in Snow Corns as well, however, there is no visible red pigmentation. Considering that Western Hognose generally display varying amounts of yellow on their ventrals suggests that if they were Anerythristic, then the yellow might eventually leak or there would be traces of it, there are not. However, if Axanthism, based on the previous definitions given, is to be defined as lack of yellow and possibly red pigmentation as well, then these Hognose definitely fit that description, pure and simple. If anybody can should be an Anerythristic or Snow Hognose that displays any amount of yellow at any age, I would concede the point, but my 2 Axanthics that are roughly 4 years old show no yellow or red pigmentation whatsoever and neither do any other Axanthics that I have seen.

So I ask again, why have so many chosen to use the term Anerythristic when the 2 line originators still call them Axanthics? State your arguments please!
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Troy Rexroth
Rextiles

Very nice hypo.

I'm curious, whose line of mocha is that you have on your site? Where it come from?
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I'm not sure how you got to that conclusion about me because I'm not the boogieman................. I'm real.

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Hey everyone
thanks for looking and writing!

In fact I am not sure if it is really a hypo or somethinkg else cause I did not produce 2xhets to proove it. But it has a massive leck of black and the belly is like you can see it on the pics really lavender or Caramel. For me it is a Kind of Hypo cause so I learned it while I study biology! But maybe it is something else!

It is the second year I breed this "hypo" Line. I breed always a "hypo" with a het "hypo" and I always had over 17 eggs and always about 6-8 from these hypo animals! so you can see it is recessive!
The first 3 animals I produced some years ago while breeding a WC Male with a CB female.
Next Year I will breed two "hypos" together and will see what happen!

This Year I breed This "Hypo" with Toffeebellys and with albinos! We will see what will come out of this Double HETS!

When someone has another Idea about these animals I am happy to read it here!

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Filip Longhitano
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Interesting! Kinda looks like it's in shed!! Very nice
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Louie Chavez
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