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Where'd the "ghost" splendida originate?

chris jones Jul 28, 2011 11:03 AM

Thanks in advance (obligatory pic)

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Chris Jones
King of Kings Reptiles

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"All the fancy names in the world will be of no help if you do not know the difference between chocolate pudding and pig poop." -Frank Retes

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DMong Jul 28, 2011 11:41 AM

From Don Shores crossing the axanthic(no yellow) gene to the hypo(reduced black pigment) gene producing a double homozygous "ghost" splendida.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"


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rosspadilla Jul 28, 2011 12:07 PM

Hey Doug, do you happen to know if there is some sort of super hypo splendida out there? I've never heard it mentioned anywhere but I've seen a couple of pictures of ones that were a lot lighter than the typical hypos. They look like lavender splendida.

DMong Jul 28, 2011 12:40 PM

Well, I do know Don has produced some snow splendida in the link below, as well as hypos. And there was an awesome W/C lavender(t-plus?) splendida captured last year that was posted hear a while back. I'm not sure about exactly what the latest type produced is though. Do you have any pics or links of those extremely light one's you are talking about?
Link

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Jlassiter Jul 28, 2011 01:38 PM

>>Well, I do know Don has produced some snow splendida in the link below, as well as hypos. And there was an awesome W/C lavender(t-plus?) splendida captured last year that was posted hear a while back. I'm not sure about exactly what the latest type produced is though. Do you have any pics or links of those extremely light one's you are talking about?
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There are 3 Tplus lavenders that I know of including the one that was wc last year in Texas......A guy in California has another one and one is at a museum (i think) in Arizona.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

rosspadilla Jul 28, 2011 02:49 PM

Thanks guys for the info. I have never seen it writen anywhere that there were lavenders but I've seen a couple of pictures of splendida that I was pretty sure were lavender. I missed the post about the wild caught lavender. I can't post pictures right now through my phone but one is a lavender in a nice cage that looks like it was taken at a zoo. That's probably the one you are talking about, John. The other was described as amelanistic but it is clearly lavender in the photo. Thanks for that info guys, I want one now.

Jlassiter Jul 28, 2011 01:36 PM

>>From Don Shores crossing the axanthic(no yellow) gene to the hypo(reduced black pigment) gene producing a double homozygous "ghost" splendida.

Don has not produced a ghost.........but is a hypo X axanthic from his line of Splendida....Don has produced snows but no ghosts.....he has one that someone else produced and gave him.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

chris jones Jul 28, 2011 02:10 PM

.....I was looking more for specific information concerning the origin of the individual traits to prove out that they are not hybridized.

Anyone know where the first amel came from, for instance, etc....?
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Chris Jones
King of Kings Reptiles

http://www.kingofkingsreptiles.com/

"All the fancy names in the world will be of no help if you do not know the difference between chocolate pudding and pig poop." -Frank Retes

rosspadilla Jul 28, 2011 02:59 PM

We all know anyone can lie about where they came from but can it actually be proven out through breeding? Should amelanistic Ca, Eastern, Speckled, and Splendida all not be compatible?

chris jones Jul 28, 2011 03:02 PM

OK, so you do not know.

I appreciate the information.
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Chris Jones
King of Kings Reptiles

http://www.kingofkingsreptiles.com/

"All the fancy names in the world will be of no help if you do not know the difference between chocolate pudding and pig poop." -Frank Retes

mbrawley Jul 28, 2011 05:18 PM

hahahahaha!

rosspadilla Jul 28, 2011 05:55 PM

No I don't know. It sounded like you knew something I didn't know so I just thought I'd ask and maybe learn a little something. Sorry if my questions offended you. I wasn't trying to question you.

chris jones Jul 28, 2011 06:36 PM

I'm sorry, as well. I thought you were kinda giving me that same 'tude .

All good.

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Chris Jones
King of Kings Reptiles

http://www.kingofkingsreptiles.com/

"All the fancy names in the world will be of no help if you do not know the difference between chocolate pudding and pig poop." -Frank Retes

rosspadilla Jul 28, 2011 08:10 PM

Its all good, bro. Nice looking eastern.

Jlassiter Jul 28, 2011 03:05 PM

>>Anyone know where the first amel came from, for instance, etc....?

Hypo Splendida can be found all throughout their range...Texas, New Mexico and Arizona.....
I believe the Amel Splendida was found in Arizona, but Kerby or Don will have to confirm that as I always think it's either Arizona or New Mexico......

The Amels do have a very clean pattern wich always leads me to believe that there may be some intergrade influence from Californiae, but both orginal morphs were wild collected snakes....

Here is a Hypo Splendida I have from Don.....

Here is an amel that is originally from Don......

Their babies will produce ghosts that are not crossed with anything other than another Splendida......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

DMong Jul 28, 2011 05:27 PM

Yes, the amel splendida definitely originated from wild-caught animals. One juvenile was captured in 1994 near the Arizona border in New Mexico north of I-10, another was was found in 2004, that was also found in New Mexico, and another was found 50 miles west of Lagtry, Texas. Don's line all originate from the first one captured in 1994.

Hope that helps some.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"


serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Jlassiter Jul 28, 2011 05:56 PM

>>Yes, the amel splendida definitely originated from wild-caught animals. One juvenile was captured in 1994 near the Arizona border in New Mexico north of I-10, another was was found in 2004, that was also found in New Mexico, and another was found 50 miles west of Lagtry, Texas. Don's line all originate from the first one captured in 1994.
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>> Hope that helps some.

Thanks Doug.......I knew it was near Arizona and maybe in New Mexico......LOL
I did not know one was found west of Langtry though.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

DMong Jul 28, 2011 07:03 PM

Sure thing bro, I know how you feel. With so much info in our memory banks, it is very easy to get confused with all the zillions of different types of snakes in the hobby now..LOL!

I remembered one was from New Mexico, and one from somewhere in Texas, but I definitely had to go look at my saved snake records to varify the specifics on them..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"


serpentinespecialties.webs.com

chris jones Jul 28, 2011 06:34 PM

Thanks much. The info and your time is appreciated.

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Chris Jones
King of Kings Reptiles

http://www.kingofkingsreptiles.com/

"All the fancy names in the world will be of no help if you do not know the difference between chocolate pudding and pig poop." -Frank Retes

DMong Jul 28, 2011 07:06 PM

Sure thing Chris, no problem..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"


serpentinespecialties.webs.com

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