Its very simple, in nature, we all know they can consume and digest and process very large meals. Huge giant meals.
In captivity, its very common to control the size of meals as its common that larger meals are reguritated. We are not talking about giant meals, just more then medium.
So there is a algebra problem. Place each set with a equal sign between them. Then figure out whats missing, hahahahahahaha
With my field work, higher temps are seeked by individuals with a need for increased metabolism. Shedding, growth, healing of wounds/sick and digestion of large meals. Small meals do not require much heat over normal operating temps.
With large meals, they heat up the bolus for a time depending on how fast the bolus breaks down. As soon as the bolus breaks down, they move to cooler temps. this can happen quickly. If it does not, out comes the bolus.
As Nate mentioned, in captivity, dehydration is a very important factor and very possibily the most important factor. that needs to be right before we even think about the temps.
With snakes in nature normal operating temps vary from the mid forties, to mid eighties. Except for special needs when they seek temps around 100F. Which is not what the body temps would reach, High 80's to mid ninties, are what high body temps would reach.
The highest Internal body temps are normally gravid females with a food bolus. In my experience.
What the above indicates is, these snakes use a range of temps to regulate their metabolism for specific needs. A range.
That is in nature.
In captivity, you stick them in a box with average temps, middle of the line temps. Which work for middle of the line tasks. Which is why you see problems with anything above middle of the line.
The problem is, you(many keepers) still expect them to perform well with above average tasks, and not change the conditions, like the digestion of large meals. Well guess what, it ain't going to happen. They require more energy to process large meals then small meals. That is not magic, they are ectotherms you know. Common friggin sense.
Reptiles can perform at mammal metabolistic rates for short periods, but in order to do so, much have nearly the same body temps. again common sense.
So yes, its easy to see why they fail with large meals if they are not able to increase the means they digest large meals with. Which is to increase body temps.
Also, snakes have such an efficent system, they can and do indeed shunt temps to several parts of the body. That is, what I call regional heating, they only need to heat the area of concern. In this case, the food bolus. If this thread stays civil, I could find some, in situ pics of that.
The point is, you base your thoughts on snakes from a hobbyist breeder point of view and not from what the snakes really do. As you can see, that is common here.
for instance, in a previous thread recently, it goes like this, Joe blow the great breeder gets one clutch of seven from is fla kings, and this dude here, gets three clutches of 12. There is something wrong with that three clutches of 12 guy and I don't like him, so hes wrong. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm how funny is that, the real solution is to take away the names and compare husbandry.
To observe what differences led to the gap in results. That would be scientific and biology, Not argue over social alignment of the keepers. The frogging keepers have nothing to do with it. Its all about the data. Same snakes, different results, what caused it. Holy crap batboy!
Also, you and others make it about right or wrong. What the heck do you know from right?(a little New York here) Sirs, you need to stop thinking about right and wrong, and start thinking about the animals and their abilities and potential.(genetic potential)
I have said this one million times here, our study animals do nothing but REGULATE their temps, every stinking movement, its all about temps and humidity. Also, they are never the SAME TEMPS.
On a typical day in the field, you will find, an example, 12 individuals and record 11 different INternal boby temps. If your lucky, two would be the same. Yet here in captivity, each of you make your temps EXACTLY the same and like eachothers. Sirs, that is not about the snakes, its about you. YOU FOLKS ARE COPY CATS, end of that story, you copy people and are to friggin afraid to work the animals and see whats best for them.
In this case, is so easy to test. You do not have to do your whole friggin collection. Take a couple of individuals and test temps on them. Like take one healthy snake, keep it at 82.4767499F or whatever some of you do. then feed it a mouse and record how long it takes for the snake to eliminate the mouse. Use the same sized mouse and drop the temps 3 degrees and record again, another three degrees and record again, etc, note the changes. Do that until the snake stops feeding.
Then take that 82.whatever and raise it three degrees and record, etc etc etc. TEST FRIGGIN IT
As you do this, both ends, the low end and the high end will cause failure. Not death, just failure. As you drop the temps times will increase until the snake refuses that mouse. As you heat it up, times will decrease until the snake refuses that mouse from too much heat. But by raising temps in small units, 3 degrees you can stop before complete failure. No harm, no foul, you learn something.
how I hate to tell you this but in some fashion thats what I did and bluerosy did. If snakes reponded in a positive way, we increased that imput. We did so until the snake stopped and demonstrating a benefit. How easy is that. We are such HUGE friggin genius's
You know if its good keep making it good, until it stops being good. Then back up to the point the results are best without harm. NONE OF YOU DO THAT, YOUR A BUNCH OF COPY CATS! hahahahahahahaha, you only do what fred the corner snake expert tells you.
I will end with, The best possible expert on this subject is, THE SNAKES. They know what they are, better then any of us. So there is no need to make it about us. You know FR this or Rainier that. Test, learn, test some more, learn some more. Etc.
Also if your happy with what your doing, then friggin do that. If your curious about what the capabilities of these snakes are, then test the parameters of their abilities. ITs not about FR or BLUEROSY. ITS ABOUT YOU.
hahahahahahahaha that was fun yelling at you guys. About us having snakes puke, oh heck yes, even mister B rosy has, just not so much after he learned his animals. HE LEARNED. whats your problem????
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