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Took exactly two months. I would have thought it would be shorter then that. All hatched and look good

what will you feed them.. pinheads? Wax worms?
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These animals live in nature, without you. They know when to eat, when not to eat, how much to eat, etc. Why do you think they cannot do that in captivity? They do know, you are suppose to support what THEY DO, not hold back food because you keep them at temps they would not pick.
Frank Retes

The adults eat a wide varity of insects. So I am hoping the babies will too.

While they are short, they do have wide heads, hmmmmmmmm sort of. hahahahahahahahaha

I am hoping mealworms,crickets, waxworms, etc.

Is this a variable ground snake? cute little things.
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Bob
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Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Those are cool. I hate that I have to ask but what the heck are they Frank?
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Randy Whittington

Thet are Variable sandsnakes.

Kerby...

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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

Thanks Kerby.
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Randy Whittington

They are, Chilomeniscus cinctus, the banded sand snake, but they do not live in sand, hahahahahaha

Look at the paper by Swaan.

Very cool Frank. Will be interested in hearing how these start for you.
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thanks, and me too. It will be interesting. They are in shed now.

I seem to recall someone working with shovel nose who had good results with very small crickets. If memory serves (ie I have the species right) he kept them in fine sand which they would borrow in. The movement of the crickets on the sand would trigger the neonates to come to the surface to feed. Wish I could recall who this was. Perhaps Damon S.
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“Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind.” Emmerson

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www.Bluerosy.com

These animals live in nature, without you. They know when to eat, when not to eat, how much to eat, etc. Why do you think they cannot do that in captivity? They do know, you are suppose to support what THEY DO, not hold back food because you keep them at temps they would not pick.
Frank Retes

I keep swearing one of these days I'll work with a small insect eating snake. There's so many neat ones!
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.

I had several Rough Green Snakes (Opheodrys aestivus) as a young kid that I captured in the late 60's that would take Cockroaches, crickets, caterpillars, etc...right from a set of tongs. Too bad I didn't know how to incubate the eggs one of them laid one day. I am quite certain they were fertile too as they were nice and full, and very white and leathery. I can still remember this just like it was yesterday..LOL!

~Doug
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I've never had good long term results keeping them. I really like them too. I hope I didn't just open the door for some one to tell me I suck again! Lol!
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Nice! After reading the thread, I am wondering, how variable are these?

--Dennis

The variable groundsnake, Sonora semiannulata, is also found in this area and its extremely variable. It occurs in a banded pattern that is very similar to Chilomeniscus. Sonora, also occur in a striped phase, often called the vermillion ground snake and a patternless phase.

While the variable groundsnake can be patterned and colored exactly like Chilomeniscus, its body and head shape are totally different. Its also a bit larger.

There is also the shovelnosed sandsnake, Chionactus occipalis, which occurs nearby, which again is similar, but this is a true sandsnake.

What I have is the Banded sand snake, Chilomeniscus cinctus. But oddly, they occur here in non sandy habitat, rocky hardpack soils. (Grismer et al. (2002 Herpetologica 58: 18-31) found Chilomeniscus cinctus, C. punctatissimus, and C. stramineus to represent morphotypes of a single species.)

What is very interesting is, they do "sand swim" like the shovelnose sand snake, chionactus occipalis. Both have a flat wedgeshaped nose.

There is very little pattern variation in Chilomeniscus, other then the amount of orange on the back.