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Seems strange to me only 1 person all season has posted a photo of a desert female on eggs! Someone speak up please!

gah this topic is getting quite annoying. they need to make a seperate forum for QQ more about deserts. either wait for pics to surface or buy your own and wait. this topic is beyond overkill at this point. when the pics are ready they may post them here if they choose but 4 requests a week for desert pics is just getting annoying. maybe let the topic die for a few months
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All he did was ask a fair question. I don't remember the other three times he asked this week.

It is amazing how no one wants to hear this, but later the same people would be saying, we should have been told.

A while back MA balls posted a video of Kevin telling about problems with different combos etc, no one bashed them for starting rumors. They were being informative.

i don't think he's getting bashed for "starting a rumor" just for perpetuating it? this subject has been beaten into the ground here and on other forums in the past few weeks/month. as far as kevin/nerd and all that. he works with it first hand and understands it far better than most, so him telling about how stuff went is more like a documentative factual account, not the rumor mill of i heard from so and so that joe blow's buddy had such and such happen. at least thats how i see it
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This is a lot more than just a buddy of a guy told me this or that. I want deserts to lay good eggs, I have a tiger male that has sired lots of eggs incubating now. But to yell at someone just for asking again in too short of a time frame makes it look like things are being kept quiet.
I also think it odd that everyone is waiting for that ONE clutch to prove the rumor false.

My understanding is, only one Desert/Desert! People have been producing other desert stuff all summer!

dozens of people claimed to want to have desert x desert this year.......is there a super?....we all want to know?....and they were trying...

....but....

( ..............)....insert cricket noises here....
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........JY

..spiders...I wish the first one would have died...retarded snakes...

caramels...do females lay in this color morph?...hmmm...lots for sale lately...I know...some do some don't...but is the percentage worse for caramels....???

Deserts....aaaaah....yea...skinny little things...they are very absent in the forums....yep....not touchy...just quit...they won't sell if we knew?...

just like spiders....I really wish Pinstripes would have came out first......someday...someday soon..not a spider in the house....!!!
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and....I think I'll go shopping for a desert...they gotta be cheap....sterile skinny little things....
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........JY

...should read quiet not quit...usually you can read through mistakes...this one ...aaaaa....yea...
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........JY

I figured it was all just rumor.

BUT

The SILENCE you received from the crowds who own female deserts that produce eggs is quite deafening.

The noise you hear from the crowds that say "quit propagating rumors" is also quite deafening. What was that saying? "Thou dost protest too much"?

I am starting to think that I now know the answer. I hope I am wrong because I want to buy one someday.

So what. They're no different than any other train wreck in the world of ball pythons. They are a beautiful morph and they make unreal combos. Deserts have been around for what...10 years now? I saw them at Stan Chiras' house long long ago. Desert x desert has been done with no luck.

It's just like the super calico BS that went on when breeders knew there was no super. Does the phrase 'mine didn't go this year' ring a bell? That was a popular one for about 5 years. People want to make money...bottom line.

There's a reason you don't see female deserts producing. If some have viable eggs...great. If there's a super...even better. I'll still buy them for what they are!
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Matt Lerer
Ghi Reptiles

At least female calicos lay viable eggs. Not a total waste of $ like the Desert.

Just sayin.

If the Desert has been around for 10 years it would be kinda messed up if these people were selling $4k snakes for all those years knowing that they would not produce!!!!

Just like it would be messed up to find out there are a load more Banana Males out there than people were letting on just to inflate the price....

The words for this are fraud and false advertising, not good business!!!
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Don Antiel
www.specialtyreptile.com

Guys,

Just a quick note before I get on the plane to Daytona.

My guess is we will see the results of the clutch shown here soon. Until then why not just relax No amount of asking is going to make the eggs hatch any sooner.

In talking with Larry from Reptile Radio he knows someone who has hatched good eggs from a Desert female the last two years. A customer of ours hatched good eggs last year from a Desert girl. I believe the info I was told to be correct and I'm full speed ahead working to breed our Desert girls.

We have four Desert females right now that I am hopeful about. All are close to or over 2000 grams. All have been bred to Desert combo males. Two of the four have good size follicles and the other two are a bit behind. I have them in a rack that is in the coolest part of our warehouse and is without heat tape. In my talk with Larry he said his friend kept his balls cooler and it is my hope by keeping my Desert girls cooler we can match his success.

There is not a morph out there that the females can't lay good eggs. Caramels may kink, Spiders may spin but they breed. I have no reason to believe that Deserts will be non-breeders. They may need to be a bit bigger, they may need to be kept cooler. I'm working hard to figure this all out. Once I have news on this years results, I will be posting right here.

Chad

Thanks Chad, Best of luck to you guys!
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>>Guys,
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>>Just a quick note before I get on the plane to Daytona.
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>>My guess is we will see the results of the clutch shown here soon. Until then why not just relax No amount of asking is going to make the eggs hatch any sooner.
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>>In talking with Larry from Reptile Radio he knows someone who has hatched good eggs from a Desert female the last two years. A customer of ours hatched good eggs last year from a Desert girl. I believe the info I was told to be correct and I'm full speed ahead working to breed our Desert girls.
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>>We have four Desert females right now that I am hopeful about. All are close to or over 2000 grams. All have been bred to Desert combo males. Two of the four have good size follicles and the other two are a bit behind. I have them in a rack that is in the coolest part of our warehouse and is without heat tape. In my talk with Larry he said his friend kept his balls cooler and it is my hope by keeping my Desert girls cooler we can match his success.
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>>There is not a morph out there that the females can't lay good eggs. Caramels may kink, Spiders may spin but they breed. I have no reason to believe that Deserts will be non-breeders. They may need to be a bit bigger, they may need to be kept cooler. I'm working hard to figure this all out. Once I have news on this years results, I will be posting right here.
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>>Chad
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Chad,

Thanks for chiming in.

Let me get this straight, with in the ball python species we need to change the environment based on morph in order to have success when breeding? Interesting idea for sure. I just don't see the logic... Maybe it's just me?

Also, the clutch in question still hasn't hatched? Huh, so desert eggs need to incubate longer than all other ball python eggs too?

Interesting stuff going on with this project for sure!
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Best regards,
AlanColesReptiles

Chad,

with all due respect (I love your collection and I check your website on and off), the fact that a female ball python whatsoever (in this case Desert) has to be kept differently, or needs longer than others to breed or it may die (yes die cos in this all post nobody mentioned that), to me is not a normal ball python, and not worth to try with (although I love the pattern).
To big breeders maybe, but to small individual hobbist like me with a small collection it is not worth spending thousands of $ for one snake who may or may not make it to drop eggs, or buy a male and have the thought of making "not fully functional" females.

Just my small opinion.

>>To big breeders maybe, but to small individual hobbist like me with a small collection it is not worth spending thousands of $ for one snake who may or may not make it to drop eggs, or buy a male and have the thought of making "not fully functional" females.
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>>Just my small opinion.

But wait, now you can buy desert females for only $1750....shipped
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Best regards,
AlanColesReptiles

Why would it seem so far fetched to have a ball python of a particular color or patern not produce viable eggs? I have worked around animals all my life. I know of domestic cats such as calicos where the females are fine, but the males are quite rare and most often sterile. I have heard of this with other animals as well, all having to do with color and patern.

I wonder when female Deserts are going to be $500 or less? I like the look of the Desert, and many of the Desert crosses, but if you get 50% females in each clutch, and they prove to be VERY difficult to get viable eggs from, I would expect the price of female Deserts to plummet. I also would have expected a Super by now....but I am not one to laugh about a Super taking a decade to produce

Dave

500.00? kinda steep for a pet...not sure I would pay that now even to experiment with. They keep waiting long enough to drop the prices...they may only get a couple hundred at best. I think they should drop them now and give everyone a chance to try to save the reputation...Maybe that would make them not look so much like they have something to hide. Who knows!