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Dark baby

The fourth egg didn't make it.

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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

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Nice looking parents!. Is that male one of the one's you got from Mike?

Yeah, that IS a real dark young'un. Too bad about the full-term neonate not making it, that is alway a real let down. I had a few of those myself too this year.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Actually the female is from Don Shores, and the male is from Zenny. It's believed to be double het for Lavender and HyperXanthic, so I knew I had a good chance for some Lavenders. Hopefully the little male lavender is het for Anery and I'll pair him back to his mom in 2 years.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

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ahh, okay. So what you are saying when you say "hyperxanthic" is Zenny has a known recessive-trait line of high-yellow brooks?

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

It's a Sulfur but he said he has proven the gene in this particular line to be recessive thru breeding trials.

Here is the link to the post Zenny made a while back, it still has pictures of the parents.

http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1925137,1925137
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

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I see. I was always under the imression that the sulfur's from the Hillsborough County area were not a simple recessive, but I guess I was wrong. I know they can certainly express it with varying intensities. I guess it is similar to the extreme hypo gene in Hondos where a clutch can also display varying amounts of hypomelanism intensity. Even when two extremes are bred together, it doesn't mean they will all look the same by any means. I have proven that out several times myself, and should see this same thing again in September.

The sulfurs are indeed hyperxanthic animals, especially the insanely yellow one's in Zenny's posts, and some other's I have seen. Maybe some of the more normal looking "sulfur's" I have seen that aren't nearly as yellow are actually the het's of the sulfur clutches??. I just don't know nearly as much about them as I would like at this point..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

it may just be this particular line that is recessive? I don't think all the Sulfurs are? It will be interesting to see what future breedings of this line will result.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

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Yeah, I was wondering if that was the case with those. Pretty crazy!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Wow, that one is dark. Do you think he will lighten up over time? what a nice surprise, too bad about the one that didnt make it. Any ideas why? It seems many go to full term, but for some reason don't make it....Dave.

>>Wow, that one is dark. Do you think he will lighten up over time? what a nice surprise, too bad about the one that didnt make it. Any ideas why? It seems many go to full term, but for some reason don't make it....Dave.

Yeah Dave I have no idea why it perished? It slit the egg and stopped. I imagine it will get lighter as it grows, I'm not sure since this is the first time I paired these together.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

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Did that fourth one pip and still die after that, or did you cut that slit?

>>Did that fourth one pip and still die after that, or did you cut that slit?

It actually started pipping but never stuck it's head out. The next day I got suspicious and cut it open, but he was already dead.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

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Wow, that's strange. I've never heard of that happening.

Yeah, it is so damn disappointing when that happens at the very end just as they are attempting to emerge. I think some manage to inhale the very thick egg white albumen) and simply suffocate. I have had neonates pop out and duck back in when they get spooked from the lid being taken off, only to find them dead later on as well. Like they duck way down inside their coils and sometimes can't find their way back up to the top where they originally pipped. It is similar I guess to some snakes not being able to find their way out of a water bowl that has a lid on it with a hole cut out of the middle. They keep searching around the inside edge where the lid is locked down, but don't realize the escape/entrance hole is in the middle of the lid. More than a few youngsters have died that way as you already know.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

I have seen babies all constricted by their umbilical chords, as if they twisted themselves untill the chord cut off their blood supply?
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

That dark baby is a trip!! You gonna keep it?

Sorry about that one baby. That sucks!
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Genesis 1:1

Not really sure what I'm keeping yet, but probably not. I will keep the one lavender male that is pipping in the egg next to him. i'm waiting for it to shed to see what it looks like, but it's purple right now.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

Nice babies! The dark one is really interesting, seeing as it's parents are both lighter than it.

With my two clutches of colubrids this year, one of the neonates hatched but only lived a week or so. It was a pyro with a kinked tail. The other clutch was bull snakes, and one baby pipped the egg but then instead of turning it's snout up turned it down and seemingly drowned in the egg. All the other eggs hatched just fine.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

yeah the mom is a snow from Anery line, soat first I though maybe it's Anery? But I think it is just really dark, I'm sure it will change quite a bit.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

It will be interesting to see how the dark one turns out.

I noticed the moss under the eggs in the cup was very wet. Was this like this before they pipped? During the last phase of incubation, the eggs want to be drier. They actually release water vapor for several days prior to hatching. If humidity is too high then they cannot expel the water and will often die in the egg at full term. Some say they actually drown in the egg but I do not know if this is what actually happens. This is extremely common for many lizard species. If the baby was not kinked then this may be what weakened it.
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Rick Staub

I'll make a note of that, but they were in Vermiculite with many other clutches, which is much dryer. I move them to separate containers when I see them pipping. The one that died did slit the egg, but never came out.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

maybe the baby died because the parents were not properly bonded?????
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Michael Enriquez

Enriquez Reptiles

Please don't go there, lol!
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com