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I picked up some new hatchlings at a show this weekend. One is an Anery mot stripe. He is striped from his nose about half way down, then motley the restof his body. I also got a hypo who is motley for most of her body with alot of striping towards the tail. These are the first motleys Ive bought. This adds a whole new direction I can go with breeding. The problem is I,m a little confused about this whole motley stripped genetic thing. Do stripes come from motley, is it ressive or dominant, I really don't know. Would someone please give me a little lesson. Thanks for any help.

motley and stripe are on the same alelle(sp?) both are recessives. If an animal is Homozygous motley they show the recessive motley traits-if they are het motley they are normal phenotypically- if a corn is homo striped it will display the striped characteristics but if it is het then it will be normal- The confusion comes when stripe and motley are combined. Then the genes act co-dominant. If you breed a motley to a stripe you get 100% motley stripes(they express both motley and stripe) there is no such thing as a het for motley stripe because if they were het for both they would automatically become dominant and be homozygous for both genes. therefore an animal can be het for motley OR Stripe but not both without it actually being a motley stripe. I really hope i didn't confuse you even more LOL Sometimes i confuse myself! Congrats on the hatchlings, motleys, stripes, and motley stripes are some of the nicest morphs.
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~~~Amy~~~
my zoo LOL
corns
1.0 caramel/amber het butter motley-Phoenix 1.0 sunglow motley-Eli 1.0 ghost-Alex(kinked) 0.1 charcoal-Siva 0.1 caramel het butter-Kilowea 0.1 snow het motley-Zhaneel 0.1 butter 50% het motley-Nanashi 0.1 butter 50% het motley-Mango
leopard geckos
1.0 hypo tang-Pablo 0.1 normal-Valentine
others
1.1 dauchshunds 1.0 cat 1.2 garden spiders My Photos
My E-Mail

**coming soon--1.3 hatchlings and 2 more clutches**

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I once had a hard time understanding this one too. Amy did an excellent job at explaining. In a nutshell she told you that a Motely Stripe was het stripe and het motley. So instead of having an ss (two genes for stripe at the same locus producing a stripe corn) or a mm (two genes for motley at the same locus producing a motley corn). It is a sm (one gene for stripe and one gene for motley at the same locus producing a stripe motley). Now when we reproduce, the offspring will get half it's genetics from each parent. So we only "donate" one gene per locus, so a striped motley could either throw a stripe gene or motley gene at any one given time. So if you breed a stripe motley to a normal, half of the offspring would be het striped, and the other half would be het motley. Of course you have to leave some leway for luck and chance, but in theory, your odds are 50% het striped and 50% het motley. There are others that are much better at explaining this, but I tried.

If I were to breed a stipe to a mot , is it posible to get totaley stiped offspring in the first generation?
thanks

yes but they would still be considered motley stripes and NOT pure stripes. It is just the luck of the draw. You could breed two fully striped motley stripes and still get a whole clutch of motley looking animals. Just depends on how you luck goes LOL
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~~~Amy~~~
my zoo LOL
corns
1.0 caramel/amber het butter motley-Phoenix 1.0 sunglow motley-Eli 1.0 ghost-Alex(kinked) 0.1 charcoal-Siva 0.1 caramel het butter-Kilowea 0.1 snow het motley-Zhaneel 0.1 butter 50% het motley-Nanashi 0.1 butter 50% het motley-Mango
leopard geckos
1.0 hypo tang-Pablo 0.1 normal-Valentine
others
1.1 dauchshunds 1.0 cat 1.2 garden spiders My Photos
My E-Mail

**coming soon--1.3 hatchlings and 2 more clutches**

I just purchased an almost fully striped butter mot from a show, the breder (I wont mention his name:R.Z. if you now who I mean) showed me a butter stripe(not motley but pure)next to it for comparison. AS there are more and more fully striped mots produced and there will be ,this is going to cause a lot of confussion with people that have not seen them side by side with a pure stipe before.Even if breeders called them pure striped and motley striped (for those with full siripes but pure motley).what would they call a corn with a broken pattern of both? Am I the only one who thinks we could do better with a new name?
thanks for any thoughts on this, Jason

Thanks for all the info. Im starting to understand this alot better. I'm definitly planning to pair these two some day. They should make some really pretty babies.

My hypo shows no black at all except for the eyes. I think she looks like a washed down amel. Any way if i do breed her to the anery would this be the start of a striped ghost? I,ve never seen a picture of one, and havent seen any on the usual sights for sale. I think that would be a beautiful snake.

Well it would be the start of a ghost mot stripe project. I just saw pics of a mot stripe ghost for the first time. I did a search on one of R.Z.'s sites and it came up. I was looking for a link to a pic of a fully striped ghost that I wanted to show you but I couldn't find it. The regular striped ghosts are really cool (if you like stripes)...kinda pinkish with gray stripes. I have a cool little ghost and I want to get a hypo stripe but the only one I have seen here at a show was way overpriced.
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Anna Plaxco

Corns
1.0 Snow - Cornelius
1.1 Ghost (pastel) - Eek & Boo
1.1 Amel - ? & Scarlet
0.1 Hypo - Nikko
0.1 Anery - Missy
0.1 Hypo Hurricane Motley - ?
Boas
0.1 Columbian - Bella
Lizards
0.0.1 Leopard Gecko - Leo
Rats
0.1 Dumbo - Dirt
Cats
1.1 Siamese - Blue & Dragon
0.1 Grey - Dru
Horses
1.0 Thourghbred (Hunter/Jumper) - Morgan's Majesty aka Cody

-We have no right to distress any of God's creatures without a very good reason; we call them dumb animals, and so they are for they cannot tell us how they feel; but they do not suffer less because they have no words. -Anna Sewell

I found a picture of a striped ghost on cornsnakemorphs.com. Really cool snake. I'm gonna have some fun trying to make some of those. Check back in about eight years.lol

Do you mean the really light colored striped ghost they have under their 2003 hatchlings? Nice. They are probably my favorite color/pattern phase.

You could take the short cut... Buy two of their 2003 hatchings and it will only take you 3 years until you have more.
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Anna Plaxco

Corns
1.0 Snow - Cornelius
1.1 Ghost (pastel) - Eek & Boo
1.1 Amel - ? & Scarlet
0.1 Hypo - Nikko
0.1 Anery - Missy
0.1 Hypo Hurricane Motley - ?
Boas
0.1 Columbian - Bella
Lizards
0.0.1 Leopard Gecko - Leo
Rats
0.1 Dumbo - Dirt
Cats
1.1 Siamese - Blue & Dragon
0.1 Grey - Dru
Horses
1.0 Thourghbred (Hunter/Jumper) - Morgan's Majesty aka Cody

-We have no right to distress any of God's creatures without a very good reason; we call them dumb animals, and so they are for they cannot tell us how they feel; but they do not suffer less because they have no words. -Anna Sewell

Thats the picture i'm talking about. I think they are awesom snakes. I could buy a couple, but that takes the fun out of it. Besides $150 is alittle steep. I currently have seven corns all bought a shows. So far i've only got $195 invested in them. here's my list. 0,1 Normal 0,1 Charcoal 0,1 Creamcicle 0,1 Hypo mot stripe 1,0 Amel 1,0 snow 1,0 anery mot stripe Gonna have some fun but its really just a hobby.

Yeah I know what you mean. I keep buying these things thinking, hmm, now what could I make with this. And the funny thing is I don't really want to breed mass quantities of babies, but it's still fascinating and amazing all the different variations you can come up with. I keep looking at those hypo stripes and thinking in about 8 years I could come up with a cool ghost stripe... Good luck.
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Anna Plaxco

Corns
1.0 Snow - Cornelius
1.1 Ghost (pastel) - Eek & Boo
1.1 Amel - ? & Scarlet
0.1 Hypo - Nikko
0.1 Anery - Missy
0.1 Hypo Hurricane Motley - ?
Boas
0.1 Columbian - Bella
Lizards
0.0.1 Leopard Gecko - Leo
Rats
0.1 Dumbo - Dirt
Cats
1.1 Siamese - Blue & Dragon
0.1 Grey - Dru
Horses
1.0 Thourghbred (Hunter/Jumper) - Morgan's Majesty aka Cody

-We have no right to distress any of God's creatures without a very good reason; we call them dumb animals, and so they are for they cannot tell us how they feel; but they do not suffer less because they have no words. -Anna Sewell